More- should Turkey join the EU???

I appreciate the sensible opinions that you all have expressed recently. Poirot, nice to hear of your courteous stance. Alp Arslan and Erci you have presented your views from the heart. You have my respect for that. As far as a war with Greece or Cyprus, I find that hard to imagine. Both countries have sensitive issues with eachother, but I do believe that without either one instigating any territorial aggression towards the other that those issues would be either left unresolved or only argued over.

Whether Turkey is even accepted to the table (at this rate the Austrians won't accept it) or not is still tenuous.

Thank you very much Poirot.

But it is a fact that very big majority of European people do not want Turkey inside EU. We do not have anything to say but respect them. We will got good relations with EU. We will still be in alliances with them such as NATO.

You have to see that starting negotiations is nothing. There will be referandum about Turkey's entrence let us say 20 years later when negotiations end. Then we will be refused anyway. In that case I cannot even imagine what will be the outcome of this. The biggest possibility is a war between Cyprus and Turkey and Greece since Turkey will give all they wanted to be a member.  Europe is not honest, I do not trust them.

So this nonsense adventure should end now. We will always keep our secular, democratic state forever. Some idiot Turkish politicians and journalists warn Europe that if Turkey cannot enter into EU radical Islam will gain too much strenght. No this is not true. We have a deep rooted strong state and enough public support to preserve it in line with Ataturk's ideals and for the best benefits of people of Turkey.

I disagree.  I think Turkey's best route is to enter the EU.

Brussels welcome you!  Well, at least one person in Brussels welcome you!

by Europeist intentions you mean a Union as strong as the US or even stronger?

and as i see it there are some members are pro US more than the EU itself.

anyway about Turkey, i think Turkey is starting to get bored of EU and started making some relation improvement with the eastern regions,

the below picture of the Turkish and Emirates officials signing an investment agreements.

My own unique evaluation.  Again, the 2nd and 3rd tier can be flipped, depending on your own criteria.

I tend to rank larger countries with more resources higher than smaller countries that may be more powerful economically.

Hence, Brazil over Japan.  If Japan gets into a war, yen would simply evaporate.  Brazil is more self-sufficient.

And Russia over Germany is a tough choice, but Russia gets the nod because it has more resources and more potential, despite a less prosperous economy.

so how good is the EU union?

This is an interesting way of evaluation! Where does Belgium stand in it?

Btw, that was your 666th post