Finding a patron saint to AE

If you don't believe me, listen to your hero JP II, he made a career out of whining about this (along with kissing American ass and killing Africans).

Letting Africans kill each other with AIDS is hardly the same as the wars in Angola and Ethiopia. If anything it shows that he is unwilling to compromise with his ideals. I certainly wish Communists of the world could live up to that image instead of compromising their ideals to better fit into the "modern world".

Philosophy fits philosophy, Philosophy does not fit the view of the world, which is why Communism has failed and Christianity has not. And your a damned fool if you believe religion is dying Islam is attracting the most converts, second only to Catholicism and I believe fundamentalist religious groups outnumber communist groups so tell me who is abandoning the people?

As for 'Eternal Truth', you are less likely to find it in the Catholic Church (or any other temple) than find icebergs in the Sahara Desert during a mid-summer day's noon.

And I'm quite certain you will find the truth by shutting out all other opinions but those you all ready hold, bravo.

A creature who was responsible for the death of countless people for his policies, in his support for dictators in Latin America (he was a shameless agent of American domination) and his sabotaging of contraceptive use and fight against AIDS in Africa.

So that is why he publicly castigated Father Jon Sabrino for his support of liberation theology in Latin America. And I guess since the Vatican obviously supplied all of the contraceptives and sex education for Africa he is definitely to blame for that.

I think he is one of the most significant Catholic figures of the 20th century, along with Adolf Hitler.

If Adolf Hitler counts as a significant Catholic figure then Che Guevera and Fidel Castro by default must count as Catholic figures as well. And I guess Stalin would count as a great Orthodox figure, I mean he was slated to become a priest at a young age and all........

I'm a John XXIII fan.

Originally posted by Beylerbeyi Don't be so sure, Nostradamus. Religion is already disappearing in civilised countries.

Originally posted by Beylerbeyi St. Pope John Paul II   The only time I was sorry that a Turkish fascist failed to assasinate his target was when Mehmet Ali Agca shot this son of a bitch. He was a throughly evil and extremely lucky bastard, would make a fitting Saint for the Roman Catholic Church, but not for a semi-civilised place such as AE.   Allegedly, after he recovered he visited Agca in prison and told him: 'When I was shot I thought I was going to die. I was surprised to have survived. God have helped me.' To which Agca replied: 'Actually, I was surprised as well. Normally when I hit someone they die'. Like the young people say, LOL.

Originally posted by Beylerbeyi The only time I was sorry that a Turkish fascist failed to assasinate his target was when Mehmet Ali Agca shot this son of a bitch.

Originally posted by red clay Meanwhile I'm reminded, as I frequently am, of Harry Turtledove's story in which the hero, watching crowds of people entering a church dedicated to St Andrew, concluded that if half California slid into the sea it wouldn't be San Andreas' fault.     Graham, that was awful.

Because of the controversy with the patron saint and due to the fact that those at AE come from a diverse background I now suggest Saint Poet of the Miraculous Eyeball.

Originally posted by gcle2003

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Originally posted by JanusRook Well, I think we should stick with the Church before the Great Schism. John Paul II, even if he is eventually canonized, will only be considered a saint by the Catholic Church. Akolouthos, I'm surprised that you would allow such a minor issue to be brought up. After all we can pray for assistance by whomever we want (in fact that's how new saints are discovered) all that Sainthood is is a confirmation by the Church authority whether it is permissible to venerate that person or not. And it is my understanding that anything not forbidden by the church is permissible until the authority has decreed on it. Therefore I do not think it improper to disallow saints that came after the schism (on either end, be free to advocate an orthodox saint after 800, 1054 or 1204, or whenever you believe the schism actually occured.) I mean they are still considered a "saint" by a church authority. Also even though it wouldn't be improper to have a secular patron for All Empires, that isn't the idea behind the thread of AE having a patron saint. After all AE can have both as well as a Hindu deity, a Boddhisatva and a Voodoo spirit associated with it. This thread is for which saints should represent AE but does not exclude other patrons.