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Topic: Oghuz appearance Posted: 11-Mar-2009 at 18:20 |
Temujin no, they speak a related language but they are not otherwise related. i
mean Khyrgyz are older than the Qypchaq and they retained their
identity throughout. | Kirgiz have a Kipchak element, Kipchak tribes and speak Kipchak branch of Turkic, however, the historic Kirgiz have a very old recorded history especially in Chinese sources. The Chinese described them as having red hair and coloured eyes, the Tamgas of these ancient Kirgiz tribes and existing tribes today are identical. Also there was an influx of "Yenisey Kirgiz" later in history who were part of the "Tiele" (Dingling/Turkic speakers). Later in history nomadic Kipchaks dominated the region, as did various other Turkic peoples. They are all inter-realted and have mixed.
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Posted: 11-Mar-2009 at 17:32 |
no, they speak a related language but they are not otherwise related. i mean Khyrgyz are older than the Qypchaq and they retained their identity throughout.
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Posted: 11-Mar-2009 at 17:28 |
Temujin, Kirgiz is part of the Kipchak branch of Turkic.
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Posted: 11-Mar-2009 at 17:06 |
Originally posted by calvo
This following nationalities today are descendants (or partial descendants) of Kipchaks:
- Kygyz
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the Kyrgyz not but the Qaraqalpaq.
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Posted: 11-Mar-2009 at 14:54 |
Suren About kipchak Turks being blond and colored eyes (Nordic appearance) I
don't know if it is true or not, but why do you think having Nordic
appearance makes them the most beautiful ones? I personally like the
Uzbek appearance and in second place the Azari appearance. | In history Turks were considered beautiful for having white, round faces and black hair known as "ay yuzlu". The blonde look being popular has elements with history and due to modern American Hollywood media were blonde = beautiful. Due to Blonde hair being more rare, it had appeal, there are songs in folklore about blonde haired blue eye girls. However, there are also folklore songs about black haired dark eyed girls, brown eyed girls, Turkmen girls, Cherkez girls practically every type of girl ![LOL LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif) Regarding Oghuz Turks look when entering Anatolia this is can also be confusing. The first Oghuz Turk tribes which entered had previously lived in the Iran/Azerbaijan region for a few generations first, so they mixed with the local population and settled there first. The next waves came direct from Central Asia during the Mongol expansion however, also some more tribes from Iran were displaced aswell in addition to Iranic tribes who probobly came along aswell. The next waves were after Amir Timurs expansion.
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Posted: 11-Mar-2009 at 13:01 |
Originally posted by Suren
About kipchak Turks being blond and colored eyes (Nordic appearance) I don't know if it is true or not, but why do you think having Nordic appearance makes them the most beautiful ones? I personally like the Uzbek appearance and in second place the Azari appearance.
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This following nationalities today are descendants (or partial descendants) of Kipchaks: - Crimean Tatars - Nogai Tatars - Volga Tatars - Bashkirs - Kazakhs - Kygyz they display a wide range of physical types, yet mostly dark-hair and brown eyed. Therefore I very much doubt that "All Kipchaks were nordic".
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Posted: 11-Mar-2009 at 12:26 |
Originally posted by feiying
There is one story from Hoja Effendi stories. He mentioned that he gave a mirror to the sultan one day and he looked himself in the mirror and cried because he looked 'savage and ugly.' I interpret this to mean that the rulers looked racially different from the subject people. The sultan probably looked more Mongoloid and realized he looked different from the subjects around him. |
This story could be interpretted in many ways I think
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Posted: 11-Mar-2009 at 12:25 |
Due to the rare blonde population in Turkey, we turks favor blonde girls. According to my knowledge the oghuz turks appearence were darker and they did not have any mongoloid look(During their migration to anatolia).
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Posted: 11-Mar-2009 at 04:13 |
About kipchak Turks being blond and colored eyes (Nordic appearance) I don't know if it is true or not, but why do you think having Nordic appearance makes them the most beautiful ones? I personally like the Uzbek appearance and in second place the Azari appearance.
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Posted: 10-Mar-2009 at 19:58 |
Evren, selam,
Oguzlar anadoluya geldiğinde biliyorsun Alparslan var bıyıklı ve gur saçlı olarak tasvir edilen, daha sonra arkalarından gelen kıpçak türkleri var ki onlarda bildiğimiz üzere Türk ırkının en güzeli olan. Uzun boylu sarışın renkli gözlü of of of of :D
For english : (:
As I know, first Alparslan captured the castle Ani. And he had long moustache and long hair and fully muscle.
And as I know the Kıpçak (you know them Kipchak because you can't speak Ç letter why I don't understand) Turks are the most beautiful Turk tribe they were tall and blond and colored eyes, I love very very very much!!!! :D
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Posted: 10-Mar-2009 at 15:51 |
Where did you hear this Hoja Effendi story? I've heard so many of his stories but never this one.
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Posted: 10-Mar-2009 at 06:56 |
There is one story from Hoja Effendi stories. He mentioned that he gave a mirror to the sultan one day and he looked himself in the mirror and cried because he looked 'savage and ugly.' I interpret this to mean that the rulers looked racially different from the subject people. The sultan probably looked more Mongoloid and realized he looked different from the subjects around him.
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Posted: 09-Mar-2009 at 22:51 |
Dear friends
As I realised some of the members are confused of turkic/turkish identity. Describing turks as mongoloid or caucasian is not right in my opinion. We know that most of the turkic tribes are not from the same pool. Okay than let us talk about oghuz turks whom turkified anatolia. What was their appearance when they have arrived to anatolia? How was their physical status during the initial oghuz migration? Does anyone know any sources which writes oghuz tribes as mongoloid looking?
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