How effective is martial art in battles?

"SAMBO ("SAMozashchita Bez Oruzhiya" - "Self-defence without weapon")"

i see why they shortened the name

Chaeokh: I know one man who has practised karate for over 30 years and he says that he would never try to fight a man with knife. I train knife fighting tecniques and know that it's a horrible weapon in the right hands. Disarming fighter who knows even the basics is very difficult. Believe me.

Russians have also some martial arts but I don't remember their names. Any Russians here who know?

 

Originally posted by Mangudai I'm not surpsrised. The disadvantage with eastern martial arts is that they are unnecessarely complex and difficult to master. They have turned into stylized techniques that can't be developed, or used for fighting

Mangudai,

I didn't post the glima player's victory over the judoka to show any supposed superiority of Western grappling methods over Eastern ones--I merely wanted to show that they are comparable.  Judo is actually a highly effective combat sport, that features both standing throws and takedowns, as well as ground wrestling.  This actually makes it more versatile than glima as an overall fighting method, since glima has no groundwork at all.  I don't know what rules the glima player and judoka fought under, but I suspect that it was either under glima rules, or post-1925 judo rules which emphasized the standing throws over the ground grappling.

Judo's ne-waza represents the one great Asian tradition of ground wrestling that we know of, while in the West, such techniques are mainly featured in English Lancashire wrestling, and it's American cousin, known as catch-as-catch-can, or simply catch wrestling.

And not all Eastern martial arts are "unnecessarily complex"--the various Filipino methods of swordfighting and stickfighting are comparatively straightforward, and very practical.  Just as in the West, some Asian methods have retained more practical application than others.  We should all be careful of making misleading blanket statements.

Peace,

L_D

 

Originally posted by Mangudai Then we have the Viking-wrestling art Glima, practised still today on Iceland

A famous Icelandic glima wrestler supposedly defeated some high-ranking judoka, early in the 20th century.

Wrestling is the "original" martial art.

Animals wrestle.

And thus, such grappling arts were often an important component of various fighting systems from around the world.

i think the effectiveness of martial arts comes to how much a person is willing to put into it. If someone trains for a few months, they wouldn't be a bruce lee anytime soon. But if someone trains truley in the body, mind, and spirit for a long time, i think that it would be effective. I have been doing tae-kwon-do for five years and i trained pretty hardly the last 3 years and i think that if someone, within reasonable range(not like a linebacker in the nlf) attacks me, i think i have a good chance in disarming,if its a knife, or defending being able to defend myself

Western fighting arts have a long and rich history, and, while most have either died out or been diluted into combat sports (fencing, boxing, & wrestling, which still have practical application, btw), this doesn't change the fact that Europe had arts as effective as anything in Asia.

THANKS!!!!  white dragon!!!!!!!!

What Gorkhali said.
�Hollywood has created this misconception that all marial arts are limited to East Asians in funky pyjamas jumping in the air and kicking stuff, but that is merely the tip of the martial arts iceberg.�

�Though quite a few matial arts would be relativly useless for armed combat in pitched battle.�

I agree with him, because I think fencing is considered a martial arts.

Not to mention Roman wrestling, which been around for 3000 years I think (I think started with the Latin tribes, and it was a unarmed fighting style), and boxing which started in ancient Greece, it�s a ancient Greek unarmed fighting style.

Greek boxing and Roman wrestling was more as a sport what I herd.

Just because it was a sport that does not mean it was tuff.

Roman Gladiators knew other types of martial arts, and of course knowing how to fight with a sword. What I heard is a good gladiator knew 20 different styles of fighting, armed and unarmed.

 

So I do agree Martial arts is not limited in just east Asia, there some in north Africa, euro, Middle East and etc.

What I was talking about on the top was called �Western martial arts�.

I also agree which he said in the last sentence, but I study a little bit of �Western Martial arts�, and it seems that they use a lot of swords and daggers.

 

 

One more thing, how to put famous quotes like you people do?

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"In peace sons bury their fathers, in war fathers bury their sons."

�Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris�
�--If Caesar were alive, you'd be chained to an oar.�

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Okay, heard of that. Btw, in what way does brazilian jiu-jitsu differ from ordinary jiu-jitsu?

Originally posted by Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner So stop trying to play it up like it's some sort of amazing fighting method, because it isn't. It's all hype.

Well amazing or not, it's still a fighting method - that's enough for me. Have you any experince of Krav Maga?