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    Posted: 03-Dec-2013 at 23:10
You Paddy are an idiot! LOL

Actually this is a good site for new-comers to see some really good historical information.


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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Jul-2011 at 20:29

The lobster-tailed pot worn by 17th century cavalry was originally a Turkish helmet. It was probably a Polish invention copied from armor captured during the Polish-Ottoman Wars.
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jul-2011 at 17:05

The bascinet was supposed to have been invented by a knight with a big nose. Like Cyrano he was always fighting duels to defend his honor
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jun-2011 at 19:27
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The armor of the Russian knight was interesting. This one resembles the helmets worn by the Pechenegs

Other Russian armor looked Viking, Middle Eastern or Asian in appearance. Several knights in the background wear Norse Spangenhelms and one wears Mongolian scale armor
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jun-2011 at 19:35

The frog-mouth helmet was designed for jousting. Unless the rider leaned forward he was unable to see where he was going. If it rained the helmet could easily fill with water
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Jun-2011 at 19:44

Armored gauntlets would have required considerable skill to make. Each piece had to be forged, riveted, guilded and engraved by hand
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-May-2011 at 21:31
Nick, I would really doubt the parade explanation. It looks perfect to protect most of the vital areas of a dog in combat.

Teeth and claws would do a pretty good job of defending the underbelly.

And what an example, I had never seen nor heard about them.

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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-May-2011 at 19:03

Or what about Samurai dog armor? This suit was fully functional but it was more likely used for parades
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-May-2011 at 20:38
Originally posted by opuslola

Paper armour, is much like the armour that street people use to stand the cold in the winter. layers and layers, etc.!

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The ancient Greeks did use stiffened linen armor which was similar. It was lightweight and provided decent protection from the slashing kopis sword but was little use against stabbing weapons which could easily penetrate the joints or in between the shoulder pads (hence the spearman's use of a large wood and bullhide shield)
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-May-2011 at 21:49
Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis

Some example of strange medieval helmet


It's another piece of Maximilian armor, but a lot more ornate than the typical example. Judging by the eye slits, two-piece visor and comb, this was intended for combat as well as for show
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-May-2011 at 17:16
Paper armour, is much like the armour that street people use to stand the cold in the winter. layers and layers, etc.!

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-May-2011 at 17:14
Wow! Just how great is that?

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  Quote Kanas_Krumesis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-May-2011 at 13:54
Some example of strange medieval helmet
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-May-2011 at 03:00
You folks might like this site.
 
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  Quote PADDYBOY Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-May-2011 at 02:53
Originally posted by opuslola

 

If I were to bet, I would guess you hale from Irish roots?

Sorry Ron, but I think I must be missing something here ?
What has my Nationality got to do with my opinion that the height/size of the average knight was smaller than the average man of today ?  Confused
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-May-2011 at 22:36
Paddy..., did you read my above post? I was probably revising it when you posted above?

If I were to bet, I would guess you hale from Irish roots?
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  Quote PADDYBOY Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-May-2011 at 18:27
I'm afraid I can't access your link, Ron. But I think it has something to do with Dutch people, at one time, being the shortest people in Europe, to becoming the tallest, due to a good healthy diet.

And that's the point. People today have a much healthier diet than people of Medieval times had and are therefore taller/larger.

I'm not sure, but I think it was a skeleton of Homo Erectus (incomplete) that was found/estimated to be 6' 3" ? Tho Scarborough man (early Briton) was certainly well over 6' tall.

It's the squalor of urban life and a poor diet that diminished the natural height of Humans and explains why in certain times of our past, our ancestors were either taller or shorter than we are today.....On average....

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-May-2011 at 18:14
Regarding fully armoured knights.

While it might well seem that certain features were exagerrated, perhaps one should consider that in those times, wars were scheduled to occur during the mild to colder times of the year. Why, you might well ask? Well just place youself in one of these metal containers and stand in the Sun on a day where the temperture was above 80 F. It was much easier to control being warm inside one of these tanks, than it was to keep cool. Urination would also present some problem, unless that "codpiece" was there for a reason, maybe to make it easy to pee?

And, the expanded chest, etc., was necessary because these knights had to be padded both as extra protection (padding) from blows, etc., but from contact with the metal itself. During cold weather, to have a part of your body in contact with very cold steel, etc., what like placing a "heat-sink" in a computer or other electrical device, or a radiator in an engine. Contact with it would drain the body's heat, and fast, but on very warm sunny days, it would merely make the wearer hotter.

Heat exaustion and the lack of water on the battle field, were probably immense problems, especially if the area was hot or merely warm. Walking around in one's own personal sauna, is not something to think kindly about, unless you need to loose a lot of weight very fast.

Today, the invention of "cool suits" would solve a lot of the problems encountered at times by these walking tanks of the past.

Thus in battle scenes preserved upon the walls of certain temples in Egypt, most every fighter wears only a short kilt, etc.! Only "dead" men went into battle on very warm days wearing full armour.

And, as well it serves to me, as a point concerning the use of Chariots in the supposed Trojan war. That is, it seems the fully armoured knights were taken to the front in said conveyances, attended to by squires, and armourers, etc., and placed near the fron lines. Then, when they were almost in dispare due to water loss, and heat, they would call for their aids, mount the chariot/wagon and be removed from the field of battle. It is very similar to having to re-fuel a modern tank. It does no one much good if it runs out of fuel and thus effectiveness.

The eventual placement of these knights upon armoured war horses, made this much easier, unless the knight was "un-horsed!", then he would usually be a much easier target, since it might not be easy to get out from under a downed horse without aid. Or even to stand up after surviving the fall. Small thin knive blades could be easily slipped inside the layers of metal that made up the joints, etc. Even a few well placed cuts, whould lead the knight to slowly bleed to death as well as possibly sever the tendons to his arms and legs, much less his neck.

Certainly a knight in such a postion would be vainly trying to protect his face, and visor, which would for sure lead to death if removed.

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-May-2011 at 17:55
Here is a great study concerning the heighth of people.

http://howtogettaller.org/the-height-difference

My answer is; "It depends!"

Many years ago, I read somewhere, that the average heighth of a Cro-Magnon male, was well over six feet. I think it was actually written 6'3"?

Whether this information is correct today, I know not.

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  Quote PADDYBOY Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-May-2011 at 05:29
Originally posted by opuslola

 

Nick, some really good points above. However I really doubt that the average "knight" was much smaller than the average man today, that is about five feet eight/nine inches tall. Perhaps those so called "small" samples we see today are really "samples?"
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Got any sources to support these doubts of yours ?
It seems to me that there is plenty of evidence to back up the views that people were smaller in the past than they are today.
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