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ArmenianSurvival
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Topic: A shameful day Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 13:00 |
Bulldog, my point was not that there are no threats to Bush or to
Turkey. My point was that they exaggerate these threats to enact racist
policies, or policies which take away the rights of one or more groups
in their society. It doesn't even have to do with democracy, just basic
human rights. What does banning the Kurds' language and denying
their identity have to do with living in an unstable region? In fact,
regions are made unstable by such racist policies, because it gives
people every excuse to go against the government by weakening the
social structure of the state. That has nothing to do with safety,
thats just extreme nationalism left over from the old days.
Turkey is actually lucky...they are the only U.S. ally in the
region not to be targeted by religious extremists. If anything, they
face less threat than all of their non-European neighbors, who are either targeted by
religious extremists or by the U.S., or both.
On top of that, Turkey has the largest army in the region with American equipment.
Originally posted by Bulldog
Turkey does have "unknown/outside" threats, you may agree or disagree
with how she deals with this and the policies which are enforced but
it's not done simply for no "reason" |
What are these outside threats, and why is it essential to deny
citizens basic rights in order to combat these threats? In fact none of
the policies I mentioned (about Kurds and other minorities) have
anything to do with battling threats. Only creating threats.
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Lmprs
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Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 13:57 |
Originally posted by Bulldog
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Just honesty, nothing more.
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Mortaza
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Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 13:59 |
I think he is only capable of showing his passport.
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Posted: 25-Jan-2007 at 08:03 |
I think this is a unique opportunity for the democratic turkish people to ask for real democracy. It seems that there are many Turkish citizens who believe that military and para-military organizations should not get involved in politics ,as well as that the huge impact of nationalism should be fought within the country.
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xi_tujue
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Posted: 25-Jan-2007 at 08:24 |
Originally posted by Brainstorm
I think this is a unique opportunity for the democratic turkish people to ask for real democracy. It seems that there are many Turkish citizens who believe that military and para-military organizations should not get involved in politics ,as well as that the huge impact of nationalism should be fought within the country.
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easier said than done. You know the Turks of Anatolia have the oldest tradition of military interfierance. Millitary coups are not that unussualy and are accepted(unfortunaly)
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Posted: 25-Jan-2007 at 09:32 |
Originally posted by Brainstorm
It seems that there are many Turkish citizens who believe that military and para-military organizations should not get involved in politics |
True enough, but that's a different story.
Originally posted by bg_turk
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Who is this guy?
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Posted: 25-Jan-2007 at 13:00 |
...The building housing the Agos offices was surrounded and searched by
security forces on Thursday morning. Although they found no explosives
there, two police officers stayed on to guard the entrance to the
building.
Later in the day, police in Ankara blew up a suspicious package
outside the Turkish parliament which carried a TIT note calling for the
release of the two main suspects in the February 19 shooting of Dink.
The package contained a timer but no explosives, police told Reuters
news agency. The note warned that real explosions will follow unless
Ogun Samast and Yasin Hayal are released...
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http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeniareport/report/en/2007/01/76F34B1B-EFD3-498C-AB0B-7B2B089416D1.ASP
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Neoptolemos
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Posted: 25-Jan-2007 at 18:13 |
I take my hat off to them.
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mamikon
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Posted: 25-Jan-2007 at 23:20 |
Turkish Nationalists have declared that those marching are Armenians,
Kurds, and Leftists, and that "real" Turks did not go to the rally.
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Mortaza
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Posted: 26-Jan-2007 at 02:46 |
who are this Turkish nationalist? I am not aware of such accusation.
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Styrbiorn
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Posted: 26-Jan-2007 at 04:15 |
Just out of curiousity, what does those round black signs they are carrying say?
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xi_tujue
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Posted: 26-Jan-2007 at 04:40 |
most of them say "We are all Hrant Dink"
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Mortaza
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Posted: 26-Jan-2007 at 04:52 |
and we are armenians.(I think this is what nationalist greatly dislike.)
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Posted: 26-Jan-2007 at 08:30 |
Originally posted by mamikon
Turkish Nationalists have declared that those marching are Armenians, Kurds, and Leftists, and that "real" Turks did not go to the rally. |
There is not something like this. You are getting nonsense information. Turkish nationalist are opposing that "yes we are sorry too from Hrant Dink's murder but you are exaggerating by saying we are all Armenians".
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Posted: 30-Jan-2007 at 10:47 |
Originally posted by Feanor
![](http://photos-212.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v63/173/71/19000070/n19000070_30276212_4505.jpg)
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I dont know. But he could be Russian militaric diplomat. Because i heardthat he is an Armenian and he visited funeral.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2007 at 08:26 |
Apparently there're some developments in the Hrant Dink's killer case. He was spotted, after the murder, posing with police officers who apparently praised him:
Turkey probes Dink suspect video |
Mr Samast was charged last week with Hrant Dink's murder | A probe has begun in Turkey after a man charged with killing a Turkish Armenian journalist appeared in a video posing with police and the national flag.
Footage showed Ogun Samast, 17, in front of one flag and holding another while uniformed police posed with him.
The images caused shock in Turkey, with one newspaper suggesting the teenager was treated like a hero.
He is accused of killing Hrant Dink, who was shot dead outside his newspaper offices in Istanbul on 19 January.
Mr Dink was well-known for writing controversial articles about the mass killing of Armenians by Turks during World War I. He had been the target of multiple death threats from Turkish nationalists.
His murder triggered anger and shock across Turkey. | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6323887.stm
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Posted: 02-Feb-2007 at 10:34 |
Originally posted by Yiannis
Apparently there're some developments in the Hrant Dink's killer case. He was spotted, after the murder, posing with police officers who apparently praised him |
I don't know what to say. I feel so much hate...
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