Goguri, Korean or Chinese?

I think I've written about this so many times that you're probably sick of my repeating myself.  Koguryo is important to the traditional Korean view and this new PRC view, because it serves as a symbol of national identity.  For the Koreans, as you said, it represents the founding of the Korean people, for the PRC, it resolves the problem of "what is a Chinese."  Whether PRC is trying to create a greater, broader Chinese identity for the sake of expansionist conquest is arguable: but the fact that Chinese identity has expanded and evolved is undeniable.  The most simple solution here is to "share" Koguryo's legacy, and it is not only simple, but realistic.

"It's obvious that China is trying to redefine their national identity in view of the muti-ethnic society within itself.  "

Wrong and hopelessly wrong.

China does not need to claim Goguri to fulfill that purpose for the complexity of its population made up.

That's why I said it's beyond some people's understanding.

I am still waiting for someone to give me an answer to why korean people claim goguri.

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"In my opinion, Goguryeo became "officially" a part of the Korean spectrum of history when Samguk Yusa was written during the Goryeo dynasty.  That's officially...it has always been in the back of people's minds though as the Goryeo dynasty itself was founded in an attempt to revive Goguryeo...hence the name....Goryeo started out as "Hugoguryeo", meaning later Goguryeo. "

Very good, and it makes a lot of sense.

That's also why Taiwan is part of China, and China claims Taiwan.

So, before anyone says anything about Taiwan, please do consider how we feel.

Else you shouldn't blame us for doing the same thing to you. 

^_^

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nice view,ruins in china of Goguri

Yes very nice pictures!  I believe the last one is called the "General's Tomb"...but Elanjie...could you please elaborate more on how you have Goguryeo blood?

Originally posted by Elanjie Originally posted by Gubukjanggoon Yes very nice pictures!  I believe the last one is called the "General's Tomb"...but Elanjie...could you please elaborate more on how you have Goguryeo blood? As you quote ,the water is too clear there is no fish to live. i think this is also very popular in china,as another saying come from history books. water is too clear ,there is no fish to live;people try to be extremely rational and too examing, there would be no one around  him. ˮ����,������;������,����ͽ

You're speaking in riddles here and are not being very clear.. Could you perhaps state clearly what you mean..and answer my question from before?  Thanks!

I've just realized, the first picture Elanjie  posted reminds me a lot of Aztec/Mayan ruins....It's so amazing how different people are often attracted to the same thing...I think Tobodai once speculated that it's the same drive that causes people to build sky scrapers...

Originally posted by KohYoung Hmm... Goguryeo being Chinese or Korean... I think it's neither. It's a mixture of both korean and Chinese cultures and etc... So how could be either korean or Chinese? Btw I am of an Goguryeo bloodline (father's side) however I am of an korean bloodline (mother's side) lol and my sure name is Koh, pronounced "Go"... My aunt who is an Korean historian says the Go family is of royal family during the Goguryeo kingdom.. However I do not believe it her...lol..

The royal family held the name Go, but that doesn't mean you're related to them.  Go is also the surname of one of the 3 orignal kings of Jejudo.  I hate it when people say that they're part Goguryeoan.  That's fricken impossible.

Originally posted by KohYoung lol... Impossible you say? How so? You never know.. People can have blood from anient civilizations

There's no assuarance to that though.  The kingdom died hundreds of years ago.  If you have blood from that particluar nation, then it is extremely small. 

The only are only a few people who can rightly claim ancestry to ancient kingdoms.  Such as the Gimhae Gim clan and one of the Tae clans. 


Most of all.  Where is your proof? 



As for you saying that Goguryeo isn't a Korean state.  I agree.  In the modern sense it isn't.  The idea of being Korean hasn't existed until modern times and at earliest sometime during the late Goryeo dynasty.  Shilla, Baekje, and Goguryeo were 3 different nations, of 3 different peoples, of 3 different languages, and of 3 different cultures.  Yet these are all critical to Korean history.  All these different groups have come together to form what you and I are today. 

Goguryeo is just about as Korean as Qing is Chinese.

Originally posted by KohYoung I'll just have to just scrunch up some family history to find proof... lol but anyways, I must disagree with the three kingdoms being entirely different. They were different yes, however they weren't entirely different. Bakche was formed from immigrants from Goguryeo and I think the refugees from the Chinese colonies in korea at the time, I'm not totally sure. So Goguryeo and Bakche shared some smiliarities.

That's what they claimed. 

Supposedly Dongmyeong wang of Goguryeo was the son of some Buyeo king and  Onjo wang was supposedly the son of Dongmyeong.

They were pretty damn different though.  Culture, Customs, Language.  All very much dissimilar.

BTW.  I don't think your family historical reccords would go back to Goguryeo.  Mine barely go back to Goryeo and it would be difficult to continue on the Shilla.  In addition to this, after unification by Shilla, I would think that it wouldn't have been too popular to claim that one was of an enemy nation.