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Topic: The greatest Irans Mysteries: Phartias Battery Posted: 29-Apr-2005 at 09:32 |
Another Greatest Iran's Mysteries: Phartia's Battery at Baghdad Museum
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_11.htm
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Posted: 29-Apr-2005 at 13:19 |
wow... that's really interesting
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Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 02:40 |
WOW......that's amazing. Why don't historical stuff don't get much publicity?
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Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 02:55 |
Insufficient data , i think...
A battery to operate needs 2 poles .. negative and positive...If the iron rod is one pole , then where is the other ? I fail to see it on the sketch..
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Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 04:11 |
well whatever it is it is not iranian invention
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Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 06:01 |
"A battery to operate needs 2 poles .. negative and positive...If the iron rod is one pole , then where is the other ?"
http://www.unmuseum.org/bbattery.htm World War II prevented immediate follow-up on the jars, but after hostilities ceased, an American, Willard F. M. Gray of the General Electric High Voltage Laboratory in Pittsfield, Massachusetts, built some reproductions. When filled with an electrolyte like grape juice, the devices produced about two volts. http://www.smith.edu/hsc/museum/ancient_inventions/battery2. html
http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Batteries/historyold.htm http://www.2atoms.com/weird/ancient/battery.htm http://www.spiritbridge.com/Baghdad%20battery.htm http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa011402a.htm http://tlc.discovery.com/convergence/ark/articles/battery.ht ml
Do you Need More iskenderani????????
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Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 06:32 |
Were They ARABS?????, azimuth
Parthian Empire was the dominating force on the Iranian plateau beginning in the late 3rd century BC, and intermittently controlled Mesopotamia between ca 190 BC and 224 AD. Parthia was the arch-enemy of the Roman Empire in the East and it limited Roman's expansion beyond Cappadocia (modern-day central Turkey)..... http://encyclopedia.lockergnome.com/s/b/Parthian
http://www.parthia.com/
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Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 06:45 |
Originally posted by iskenderani
Insufficient data , i think...
A battery to operate needs 2 poles .. negative and positive...If the iron rod is one pole , then where is the other ? I fail to see it on the sketch..
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If the sketch is correct, the copper cylinder is the other pole.
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Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 09:41 |
Presumably an electrochemical gradient is being created by the potential difference between the iron and the copper.
One is acting as the anode the other as the cathode in an oxidative / reductive process.
This process is seen for example in corrosive processes where two metals are side by side e.g in medical implants.- the different electrochemical properties set up a gradient resulting in corrosion of one material and deposition on the other. The voltage is obtained as a by product of the corrosive process. If you had copper with copper there would be no such process.
So its entirely reasonable.
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Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 10:25 |
Originally posted by Styrbiorn
Originally posted by iskenderani
Insufficient data , i think...
A battery to operate needs 2 poles .. negative and positive...If the iron rod is one pole , then where is the other ? I fail to see it on the sketch..
Isk.
| If the sketch is correct, the copper cylinder is the other pole. |
Agreed ...In the second diagram that Aryan produces , it shows exactly that the copper cylinder is the second pole...In the first diagram though the asphalt used as an insulator does not show any protruding copper end. This is why i said ...insufficient data..the diagram was not correct..
In any way there is no dissagreement about the function of the device..which is known very well .Eric von Deniken wrote about it in his books long ago.
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Posted: 01-May-2005 at 17:44 |
Originally posted by azimuth
well whatever it is it is not iranian invention |
Yes moron, Parthians are of Iranian stock. Besides, as a Gulf Arab, why
do you care? For every thousand Iranian scientists worth their weight
in gold, there is possibly a single Gulf Arab worth
mention. Although, I have yet to come across a name.
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Posted: 02-May-2005 at 00:59 |
how much hate in you guys?
i didnt say that it was Arabic!!
and rhazes mind your language.
the below is from this site http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_11.htm
The ancient battery in the Baghdad Museum, as well as those others which were unearthed in Iraq, are all dated from the Parthian occupation between 248 BCE and 226 CE. However, Dr. Konig also found copper vases plated with silver in the Baghdad Museum, excavated from Sumerian sites in southern Iraq, dating back to at least 2500 BCE. When the vases were lightly tapped, a blue patina or film separated from the surface, which is characteristic of silver electroplated onto copper base. It would appear then that the Parthians inherited their batteries from one of the earliest known civilizations.
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Posted: 02-May-2005 at 11:29 |
Originally posted by azimuth
how much hate in you guys? |
"In you guys"? are you generalizing again? and that is NOT hatred, don't go so fast!
As a hint, at first you might have said "well whatever it is it is not Parthian invention", that wouldn't have made some people angry.
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Posted: 02-May-2005 at 21:05 |
Originally posted by ramin
Originally posted by azimuth
how much hate in you guys? | "In you guys"? are you generalizing again? and that is NOT hatred, don't go so fast!
As a hint, at first you might have said "well whatever it is it is not Parthian invention", that wouldn't have made some people angry. |
i said guys not IRANIANS ,
guys could meant Two people too. and that what i meant.
about Parthian, i think they were iranians and the topic was talking about Parthian as Iranians.
so i dont think that would made any difference.
also Summer was not Iranian civilisation.
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Posted: 03-May-2005 at 01:38 |
I didn't say IRANIANS either, you brought it up cuz you were thinking
of "IRANIANS" while what I really meant was GENERALIZING "people".
Sumerians were Lurs and Kurds; Therefore, Iranians.
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Posted: 03-May-2005 at 01:49 |
Originally posted by ramin
Sumerians were Lurs and Kurds; Therefore, Iranians.
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if u dont mind
provide sources
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Posted: 03-May-2005 at 02:03 |
Iranology - Iran before Iranians ( http://www.cappuccinomag.com/iranologyenglish/001141.shtml)
You can also find the AGE of the name Khuzistan (Khuz + stan) if you read under Elam
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Posted: 03-May-2005 at 02:47 |
the source u provided is saying
as far as i understood this article is saying that Sumer , Babylonia and Assyria are Iranians?
and the rest he is talking about Elam which is not Sumer!!
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this one is from Britannica
Sumer
site of the earliest known civilization, located in the southernmost part of Mesopotamia between the Tigris and the Euphrates rivers, in the area that later became Babylonia and is now southern Iraq from aroundBaghdad to the Persian Gulf.
Sumer was first settled between 4500 and 4000 BC by a non-Semitic people who did not speak the Sumerian language. These people now are called proto-Euphrateans or Ubaidians, for the village Al-Ubaid, where their remains were first discovered. The Ubaidians were the first civilizing force in Sumer, draining the marshes for agriculture, developing trade, and establishing industries, including weaving, leatherwork, metalwork, masonry, and pottery. After the Ubaidian immigration to Mesopotamia, various Semitic peoples infiltrated their territory, adding their cultures to the Ubaidian culture, and creating a high pre-Sumerian civilization.
The people called Sumerians, whose language became the prevailing language of the territory, probably came from around Anatolia, arrivingin Sumer about 3300 BC. By the 3rd millennium BC the country was the site of at least 12 separate city-states: Kish, Erech, Ur, Sippar, Akshak, Larak, Nippur, Adab, Umma, Lagash, Bad-tibira, and Larsa. Each of thesestates comprised a walled city and its surrounding villages and land, and each worshiped its own deity, whose temple was the central structure of the city. Political power originally belonged to the citizens, but, as rivalry between the various city-states increased, each adoptedthe institution of kingship. An extant document, The Sumerian King List, records that eight kings reigned before the great Flood.
After the Flood, various city-states and their dynasties of kings temporarily gained power over the others. The first king to unite the separate city-states was Etana, ruler of Kish (c. 2800 BC). Thereafter, Kish, Erech, Ur, and Lagash vied for ascendancy for hundreds of years, rendering Sumer vulnerable to external conquerors, first the Elamites (c. 25302450 BC) and later the Akkadians, led by their king Sargon (reigned 23342279 BC). Although Sargon's dynasty lasted only about 100 years, it united the city-states and created a model of government that influenced all of Middle Eastern civilization.
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and about the Sumerian language
this is from Encarta
this from Encarata.
Sumerian Language, language of the peoples of the ancient kingdom of Sumer in Mesopotamia. Its vocabulary, grammar, and syntax do not appear to be related to those of any other known language.
The oldest language preserved in writing, Sumerian was written in cuneiform script. Its earliest records date from about 3000 bc in southern Mesopotamia; after about 2000 bc it was no longer spoken, having been replaced by Akkadian or Assyro-Babylonian, but it continued in use as a literary language until cuneiform writing died out (c. 1st century bc). There are four recognized periods of Sumerian: Archaic Sumerian (3100-2500 bc); Old or Classical Sumerian (2500-2300 bc); New Sumerian (2300-2000 bc); and Post-Sumerian. The existence of the languageand of the Sumerian culturewas subsequently forgotten until cuneiform was deciphered in the 19th century, revealing an unexpected language among the expected ones.
Sumerian is an agglutinative language, rather than an inflected one, such as one of the Indo-European or Semitic languages. Generally speaking, the root words are not subject to inflective change. The basic grammatical units consist of word complexes rather than individual words, and these grammatical units usually retain their independent structures. The grammatical structure of Sumerian resembles that of other agglutinative languages, such as Turkish, Hungarian, and some Caucasian languages.
Microsoft Encarta Premium Suite 2005. 1993-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
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i dont see that
Sumer or Sumerians are Iranians
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Posted: 03-May-2005 at 04:18 |
Originally posted by azimuth
also Summer was not Iranian civilisation.
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Posted: 03-May-2005 at 11:58 |
In the link I gave you the author didn't say Babylon or Assiryans as
Iranians! in the introduction of the link I gave you the author talked
about the people in and around the Iranian Plateau. Please read the article more effectively.
About the articles pulled out off Encarta, I'm still wondering -- with
no rejection to its content! -- is that the same Encarta you earlier
discussed about map mistakes it made??
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funny, I found this out of Encyclopedia Britannica:
The area that is now Khuzestin was settled about 6000 BC by a
people with affinities to the Sumerians, who came from the Zagros Mountains
region. Urban centres appeared there nearly contemporaneously with the first
cities in Mesopotamia in the 4th millennium. Khuzestin came to constitute the
heart of the Elamite kingdom, with Susa as its capital. Beginning with the reign
of the legendary Enmebaragesi, about 2700 BC, who (according to a cuneiform
inscription) despoiled the weapons of the land of Elam, Sumerian, Akkadian,
Babylonian, Kassite, Neo-Babylonian, and Assyrian invasions periodically crossed
Khuzestin in response to Elamite involvement in Babylonian politics.
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Wikipedia.org:
Almost 72% of Iraq's population consists of
Arabic speakers (mainly Iraqi but some Hejazi); the other major ethnic group are
the Kurds (25%), who live in the north and north-east of the country. The Kurds
differ from Arabs in many ways including culture, history, clothing, and
language. Other distinct groups are Assyrians, Turkomans, Iranians, Lurs,
Armenians (3%) and Yezidis (possible descendants of the ancient Sumerian
culture, part of the Kurdish population). About 2,500 Jews and 20,000 - 50,000
Marsh Arabs live in Iraq.
1. The Yezidi or Yazidi (Kurdish; zid) are
adherents of a small Middle Eastern religion with ancient origins. They are
primarily ethnic Kurds, and most Yazidis live near Mosul, Iraq with smaller
communities in Syria, Turkey, Iran, Georgia and Armenia, and are estimated to
number ca. 500,000 individuals in total. |
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algebra.com:
The Sumerians, with a language, culture, and, perhaps, appearance different from their Semetic
neighbors and successors are widely believed to have been invaders or
migrants, although it has proven difficult to determine exactly when
this event occurred or the original geographic origins of the
Sumerians. Some archeologists have advanced the notion that the
Sumerians were, in fact, local to the Mesopotamian plains. |
now the judgement is by you.
I have another source which is actually my main defence but i have no
access to it right now. I believe I've read a book regarding this issue
clearly stating the relation between Sumerians and Kurds. I know not
every book is valid, but I'll try to find the book in my spare time and
give u the title (though it doesn't worth it any way).
anyway, you know how much I hate altering the topics' original purpose,
so why don't u open up a new thread regarding this, then you or me will
give the link to that thread so everyone interested can follow it up
there.
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