Ancient Greeks in America?

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Originally posted by Pinguin You are following a very common attitude in pseudo-history "assuming false contacts". The fact is that Greeks weren't in the Americas before Columbus, and that Mayans developed theirs own civilization in isolation. The rest is fantasy.

Quite a different attitude when facing another "contact theory". What did you imagine? That only the Americans could sail

Originally posted by tkoletsis http://www.greek-thesaurus.gr/images/pub/Quetzalpapalotl-waves-2.jpg Is that a simple line drawing too?

Yes

I think that there are no facts in ancient history. 90% are missing and 10% is really known. A very large part is missing.

There are two rebuttals to this:
1.) Some things surely will never be known, but that doesn't change the fact that for other things there do exist facts in ancient history. Ancient Greek culture flourished around 500 BC, Mayas 500 AD. That's a fact, you'll have to address that for your theory to make sense. Native Americans had no restistance against Old World deseases. That's a fact, you'll have to address that for your theory to make sense.
If you can't find an adequate way to deal with those problems you can't just ignore them, unless you can make a plausible point that Classical Greek culture flourished 1000 years later or Classical Mayan culture flourished 1000 earlier than is currently believed, and that Native Americans were actually resistant to old world deseases, but that is going to be a mission impossible.

2.) Proposing a theory and then rejecting criticism by saying that you we don't anything for sure is an extremely flawed way of proving something. I could just as well say that Athens was build by Mayans and reject your criticism by using extactly the same words you just used. That way one can prove everything, and who proves everything proves nothing.

The history is also written from those who have the power. And the power that moment of time isn't in greek hands.

It's even less so in Mayan hands, yet it is almost universally agreed that Uxmal was built by Mayans.

Somebody help! There is an Aztec hoplite outside my house threatening to offer up a human sacrifice if I don't pay him seventy drachmas!

Pulling your leg? With over 3000 greek relative photos all over America there's no need for pulling noones' the leg.

 

Even Parthenon hasn't so many meanders. Palacio de las grecas Mitla Mexico.

 

Grecas?

Let me put a scenario in the table that may help with the dating problem.
Ancient Greeks probably had remained there after the destruction of Atlantis they cutted out from their homeland Greece and developed all those great civilizations which their traces are met all over America.
Others travelled east to Mediterranean and settled the Greek region.
The communication between them was very rare but possible, with Homer's in Odyssey to report long distance travels with other civilizations but with common Gods and lanquage indeed.
Odyssey is reffering Amazons (in relation with the river).
I don't believe Odysseus was lost at the too much travelled sea of Mediterranean. And I'don't believe that Troy was a so close destination as it is believed to be. In my opinion Troy should be a land somewhere in America.

Oh you are from Chile ! I 've heard that one of your musical instruments is Pan's flute is it true?

Tkoletsis, I think a good place to start will be here:

Edited by Jams - 09-May-2008 at 11:24

Originally posted by Julius Augustus Originally posted by pinguin yes. It is called zampona. You would hear it in Andes traditional music. But has a white-nose sound that is quite different from the old world equivalent. Omar do you have a recording of this wonderful instrument, would love to hear it.

Although i'm against the official archaeology , it says that the oldest