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    Posted: 03-Dec-2007 at 13:08

weren't there steam powered engines in the Hellenistic age?

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37. Athens failed to support Aigis III of Sparta in his abortive revolt of 330, but with the death of Alexander, the Athenians, prompted by the great orator Demosthenes, now rose in rebellion, in what was dubbed the Lamian War. The Athenians ran into trouble, as despite having a free male citizen population of 50,000, classical Athens could only field roughly 5000 hoplites, men wealthy enough to arm and equip themselves. To open recruitment to the poorer classes, Athens began to issue out equipment for the first time, and minted chits featuring pictures of swords, spears and armor as a form a receipt. The Athenians managed to give Antipater a rough time, beseiging him in the town of Lamia, from which the war takes its name. However, the tide turned when the Macedonian lieutenant Craterus returned from the east with approximately 10,000 veterans, to crush the revolt and end the war. The result was a Macedonian garrison in the Pireaus, one of the "fetters of Greece."

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  Quote dexippus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Dec-2007 at 22:53

It is unclear to me that there is a single "key defining point" of the Hellenistic world. I do believe you are correct that the spread of Greek culture and language is a major "theme" of the period--but it is not the only trend.

For me, several trends "define" the distinct period we refer to as the Hellenistic era, to include:
 
1) The displacement of a political and diplomatic system revolving around powerful city states (primarily Athens, Sparta and Thebes) by a system dominated by larger entities : the three large empires, a number of smaller kingdoms and the two major Federal Leagues. This trend starts with Phillip II crushing victory over the allied poleis at Chaironeia.
 
2) The intorduction of Hellenistic culture, to the Iranain plateau and beyond, coupled with the thorough Hellenization of regions that had long had contact with the Greek speaking world, such as Anatolia and Syria. This is defined by both the spread of Greek institutions like the polis, athletic competitions, temples and gymnasia but also by the spread of "koine" Greek throughout the Eastern Mediterranean.
 
3) Engagement with the twin powers of the Western Mediterranean, Rome and Carthage, and the Greek reaction to the surprising advent of Roman domination.
 
4) Important intellectual developments, often prompted by the wider horizons created by the Alexandrian conquests. The birth and expansion of the philosophic schools of Stoicism, Epicurianism and Cynicism, and the flourishing of the Peripatetic school.
 
5) The dramatic state-sponsored scholarship, with its locus at Alexandria, but with plenty of scholars operating elsewhere (Athens, Rhodes and Pergamon in particular), which both preserves the achievements of the classical past, and in the process invents the genre of literary criticism and textual analysis. Coupled with this, the impressive art and monumental architecture funded by large state entities that could afford to funnel far more funds into public works than all but the richest of poleis. 


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  Quote Aster Thrax Eupator Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Dec-2007 at 18:42

That I appreciate, but that still doesn't change the fact that the key defining point of the Hellenistic era is the spread of world Hellenism - for this purpose, the Hellenistic period can only really be said to have begun when this begins to be fulfilled. In that respect, all of our three dates concide except for Choerona, because for decades afterwards, Greek culture was still only confined to the Medditeranian basin and not beyond. Although, Dexippus, your point does lie very much on the crossover point between this idea behind Hellenism. To disagree with it would be pedantic, because it was only a few decades later that the key principle of Hellenism began to be fulfilled. I think that all of our three dates are defensive and have a great deal of points behind them, but I might consider re-evalutating mine because of the many other successor wars that occured before the battle of Ipsus. Also, I've always wanted to write a book...



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  Quote dexippus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Dec-2007 at 18:23
This being a free country, Chilbudios can start your book on Hellenistic history in 323, Aster can start his in 301 and I, with tremendous panache and a modicum of academic daring, will start mine in 338. I think we all agree the Hellenistic world politically, culturally geographically a very different place from the classical world of the 5th and 4th century. The transition from a world dominated by poleis to a world dominated by empires begins with the rise of Macedon under Phillip II, is established geographically by the anabasis of Alexander III which ends in 323, and gelled with the death of Antigonus One Eyed in 301. Chilubios is correct in that 323 is the most common date for starting general histories of the Hellenistic world; Aster's date is a bit more controversial, as it ignores the wars of the successors that usually form the first chapters of such works. But again, the Hellenistic era is the creation of modern historians, who are free to define it according to their own needs.
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  Quote Chilbudios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Dec-2007 at 17:44

Dexippus, may I remind you the thread in this forum entitled "Hellenistic history - why viewed as obscure" where you together with several forumers contributed in a discussion about a relative lack of interest on Hellenistic rulers, from which Alexander is obviously an exception. This thread was an answer to that one.

However I'd understand much better Aster's point (301 BC marks the practical beginning of the Hellenistic states). The Hellenistic world is bound to these Hellenistic states and Alexander's empire hardly was, especially in its early years. Echoes you'll find everywhere, almost no process in history started overnight. But here we do not discuss such naive visions, but operative taxonomies. I have not encountered any book on Hellenism putting 338 BC as a start. I've encountered few starting their discussion with the reign of Alexander and some more starting with the death of Alexander. Let me give you examples from the latter category:

In Erskine's "Companion to the Hellenistic world":

Part I, Chapter 2 signed by David Braund is entitled "After Alexander: the Emergence of the Hellenistic World, 323-281". Let me quote a bit from it:
"These years show first the consequences of the great imperalist adventure in a a world which, from a Greek perspective at least had now expanded massively. [...] Moreover, it is in these years that monarchy re-emerges as the dominant form in Greek history, after a marked hiatus, with its roots both in Macedonian and local practices. The Hellenstic world which Alexander had instigated was to be a world with great cities - including his own foundations - but it was above all to be a world of kings. Perhaps most exciting and yet most elusive is the rich cultural mix that developed (and not without controversy) in the aftermath of Alexander."

The prestigious Cambridge Ancient History series compiled its volume on Hellenism (VII.1) starting with Alexander's death (however it traces Hellenistic kingdoms only to 217 BC, their last years being included in their volumes on Rome). The second chapter, "The succcession to Alexander" by Edouard Will starts with 323 BC. The chronological table which closes the volume starts again with 323 BC.


 

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  Quote Aster Thrax Eupator Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Dec-2007 at 13:53
should perhaps begin with the Battle of Chaironeia in 338 BC
 
True, although the absolute legacy of Hellenistic politics begins after the battle of Ipsus, 301BC. That battle and connected wars set up the stage for the major political entities in the Hellenistic period. But  I see where you are coming from - the Hellenistic period is really defined by the principle of Universal Hellenism, which does ultimatley come with Alexander's conquest of the east.
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  Quote dexippus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Dec-2007 at 11:37
The "Hellenistic world" is of course the creation of 19th century German scholars, and as such has no definative start--naturally people didn't just wake up one day to discover they were Hellenistic, and not classical Greeks. For me, Hellenistic history should perhaps begin with the Battle of Chaironeia in 338 BC. With the hegemony of Macedon established, we have left the Greek world dominated politically and militarily by the Greek city-states, and entered a world where larger political entities, kingdoms, empires and leagues, will rule (although the polis itself continued as a thriving civic entity). It is true that many histories of the Hellenistic era begin upon Alexander's death, but the era of Alexander contained many of the themes that would echo throughout Hellenistic history: relations between empire and polis, Hellenization of non-Greek populations, royal and dynastic intrigues, city foundations and the opening of a wider world beyond the provincial collection of poleis huddled around the eastern Mediterranean.
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  Quote Chilbudios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Dec-2007 at 01:23
Actually some scholars doubt Alexander ordered that fire. But isn't this thread about Hellenism factoids, that is after Alexander's death?
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36. Alexander the Great, in one of history's greatest acts of vandalism, set fire to the palace complex at Persepolis follwing a night of carousing. However, this act may not have simply been the product of royal mischief. The burning of the temple occured during a looming Spartan revolt, with the real fear that Athens would join in. A coalition of the two most powerful city states would have caused a major crisis for Alexander's regent Antipater. By burning Perseplois, Alexander sent a message of friendship and solidarity to Athens, with what was presented as the just retaliation for the sack of Athens by Xerxes in 480. Alexander also returned statues and artwork that had been looted from Athens. This gesture had its effect: Athens did not revolt, and the Spartan uprising was handily surpressed.
 
 
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  Quote Chilbudios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Nov-2007 at 01:05
For Hellenistic king's cult you should refer to Angelos Chaniotis' "The divinity of Hellenistic rulers" in Erskine's "A companion to the Hellenistic world". The author shows quite clearly it is not about divine powers but about certain expectations - Soter ("the savior") = protection, Epiphanes ("the one with the manifest power"), Kallinikos ("the winner of fair victories"). A joint inscription to Dionysos and king Attalos I is quite clear in that: "may both of you take care of the dedicator". Another inscription is dedicated "to gods, king, queen and their children" (thus the king is not among the gods, theoi). The author also says the attribute Theos ("the god") was attributed posthumously.
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34. The primary formation of Hellenistic warfare was the Macedonian Phylanx of Phillip II and Alexander, a mass of heavy infantry, armed with 14-20 foot pikes, moving in close formation, a nightmare bristle of iron. Liberally supported by cavalry, elephants and light troops, it dominated ancient warfare for over a century. However, the stunning victory of the looser, more flexible Roman legions at Cynocephalae and Pydna led the Seleucid empire to reform its army along Roman lines, most notably Antiochus IV, who re-armed several large contingents of his polyglot army in the Roman fashion. 
 
35. The Hellenistic world saw the widespread adoption of ruler worship amongst Greek populations. Alexander had been worshipped as a god by the Persians, although he joked to his Macedonians that it was blood, and not divine ichor, that flowed from his wounds. However, as communities increasingly found themselves utterly dependent on the successful flattery of warlords, the initiation of ruler worship became common as a way a indicating dependence on the benevolence of a particular diadoch. Thus Demetrius Poliorcetes was hailed a savior god in Athens, while Ptolemy was named the savior god of Rhodes. It is unclear whether anyone on either side of the worship actually believed these savior gods actually had divine powers, however, for example Demetrius went from Soter to persona non grata in Athens following the defeat of his father at Ipsus.
 
 
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  Quote Chilbudios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Nov-2007 at 17:04

The bean-sharing is another anecdotical (by hearsay) account from Plutarch. However, Plutarch says that Epicurus shared the beans with his disciples, which means he ate also beans, not only bread and water Smile

 
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33. During a seige of Athens, the philosopher Epicurus rationed beans to his disciples to prevent them from starving to death. Epicurus taught that the purpose of life was to maximize pleasure and reduce pain, believing in gods that were distant and indifferent to human behavior. Despite this, Epicurus was no craven hedonist. He practiced sexual restraint and lived on a meager diet of bread and water. "Pleasure" for him consisted largely of the warmth of friendship and the joy of intellectual discourse. Despite this, future Epicurians would gain the reputation as voluptuaries.



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32. The son of Antigonus One-Eyed, Demetrius, earned the name "The Beseiger" (Poliorcetes) due to his loved of overwrought seige machines. Despite his moniker, his greatest seige, that of Rhodes, was an abject failure. The Rhodians, aided by Ptolemy, endured his titanic machines to remain an independent polis, whose well trained navy served as the coast guard of the Eastern Mediterranean. In honor of their benefactor, the Rhodians erected a statue of Ptolemy as a savior god.
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  Quote Justinian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Nov-2007 at 03:23
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Quite...if it wasn't for those ingenius and enlightened Arab dynasties such as the Abbasids and Ayyubids, we wouldn't have many of the classical texts which we have today.

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  Quote Chilbudios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Nov-2007 at 16:08
Actually the size of the Alexandrian library is disputed. For instance, Roger Bagnall analysed the mythically large dimensions (in volumes/papyri contained) of this library (article: http://www.aps-pub.com/proceedings/1464/403.pdf , review: http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/bmcr/2007/2007-05-16.html ) and proposed some common sense calculations for the actual size of the library - 30,000 in one estimate, 10-15,000 in another (which turn incredibly smaller than numbers like 400,000, 500,000, 700,000 repeated with no critical sense at all of the sources).
 
When I first read Paul's proposal for this thread I thought this was supposed to be unlike "top-of" or "best-of" threads. Instead of rushing for 100 and list stereotypes (like most "best-of" threads do), perhaps it would be wiser to step back a little and research (or eventually discuss here) a bit more on each entry.


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30. The library of Alexandria, at its height, had roughly 500,000 volumes.
 
31. Curiously, one of our best sources of documents and lost texts from the Hellenistic era have been Hellenistic mummies. Mummy wrapping incorporated used book papyrus, and cracking into mummy wrappings has revealed many valuable fragments.
 
 
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  Quote Aster Thrax Eupator Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Nov-2007 at 00:10

Quite...if it wasn't for those ingenius and enlightened Arab dynasties such as the Abbasids and Ayyubids, we wouldn't have many of the classical texts which we have today.

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29. The establishment of the Library of Alexandria,the plans and place of which Alexander himself might have approved - completed later by the Ptolemies with the help of Demetrius of Phalerum - made it possible to study the Greek classical writers. Despite the great fire thousands of volumes were recued, later trnslated by the Arabs, disseminated through the Iberian peninsula and thence to the whole of Europe.

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