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Centrix Vigilis
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Topic: Japan's island issues with its neighbors Posted: 25-Sep-2012 at 11:19 |
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![Wink Wink](smileys/smiley2.gif) Understanding the China-Japan Island Conflict
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Posted: 16-Sep-2012 at 19:28 |
Big empires never learn. The Russians also tried to assimilate minorities, but this led to increased nationalism, especially after the collapse of the USSR. Should China suffer from internal turmoil, some of these groups might regain their independence (though it's still highly unlikely in the present situation)
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Posted: 16-Sep-2012 at 06:12 |
One major problem with the Chinese is they believe that territories and oceans that once belonged to their emperors of Ching Dynasty, Ming Dynasty, Tang Dynasty, Han Dynasty, etc. will always remain theirs. The days of the empire are no more. Not only that, but some groups who were forced to join the empire (ie Uygurs, Tibetans, etc.) still keep and maintained their separate language and culture that is clearly different from other Chinese. In America, I have met 3 Uygurs and if you look at their appearance and language, you would think they fit better with Turkish than they do Chinese. They can also speak perfect Chinese and understand our culture, but deep down, they know they are not. I think Chinese will eventually resolve the territory issues with the neighbors and also dialogue with its own ethnic minorities from within. But, the issue with Japan remains thorny. It is a hate just like between Serbs and Bosnians. If they were not separated by oceans, I am sure there would have been many reciprical killings on both sides until one is gone
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Posted: 16-Sep-2012 at 03:14 |
These border disputes aren't just restricted to China and Japan, China has a similar dispute over islands with Vietnam and Thailand and Cambodia have that ridiculous border dispute over a tiny field. In fact I believe almost every south east Asian country has one or several border disputes with others.
Far eastern countries are indoctrinating their citizens in the media and at school with the kind of fervent nationalism that existed in pre-war Europe. Until this is addressed it's difficult to see any resolution to these issues. Though to be fair this isn't restricted to the East, pretty much the whole world is guilty to a degree, and that Europe's would adopt a strong anti-nationalism is not surprising with nationalism being responsible for WWII.
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Posted: 15-Sep-2012 at 21:20 |
What does the UN say on the ownership of these islands?
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Posted: 15-Sep-2012 at 12:02 |
This isn't the first unhabitat island problem and wouldn't be the last. ![](http://www.visoterra.com/images/original/ilot-leila-ou-perejil-2-visoterra-14914.jpg) Morrocco and Spain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perejil_Island_crisis![](http://static.myturkeytravel.com/place_img/141/kardak-adalari_20101017031351_b.jpg) Greece and Turkey Back two little islands http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KardakEven Canada, UK have similar problems also Japan has conflicts(island problems) with South Korea and Russia
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Posted: 15-Sep-2012 at 06:59 |
Currently, China and Japan are embroiled over a messy situation regarding territorial disputes. Actually, they are fighting over uninhabited rocks, too small for human habitation to be considered islands. it is more about nationalistic pride than anything else. Chinese seeks some type of unsettled score with the Japanese because of WWII invasion and atrocities, while the Japanese remind the Chinese that they did not lose the WWII to Chinese or other Asians but only to America's atomic bombs. They arrogantly resort they can easily defend themselves again if need be. besides China, they have island dispute issues with South Korea (also an uninhabited one) and Russia (used to be inhabited by Japanese, but now occupied by Russians). I see British, Germans, French today can easily forget the past and move on despite 2 bloody world wars. The Asians will go after each others throats over uninhabited islands. Neither side wants to budge. I know the world is laughing reading about news like that. Nationalism can be a dangerous weapon if left unchecked. Good doses of it is healthy, esp. if it is the justified type. The one where they intend to rally an entire nation to take up arms is what scares me
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