Turks And Mongols

Well... we like to differ settled turkics from the nomads. The nomadic turkic people are extremely close to us. Otherwise, we don't have gigantic oil or gas reserves so I guess people wouldn't really bother dealing with us, were not for our peculiar geographic location. So now we get regular visits between turkish and mongolian politicians, turkish restaurants in UB and mongolians studying in police academies in Turkey.

No one with credibility considers Azerbaijan a "Turkish" state except Azeris themselves (some at least). I believe one thing everyone can agree on is that Azeris speak a Turkic language.

Some of this stuff might be harsh, but this is just what I concluded from everything I've read and my own dealings with groups of Azeris.

Azeris were always around before the Turks, developing along with Armenian, Persion, and other east Caucus Mountain people...They, unlike the great majority of Turkic tribes, adopted the Shia religion (this significant in the further increase of differences later on). I still believe whole heartedly that Azeris never had anything ethnically to do with Turkic or nomadic people. Where are your old miniature paintings, scriptures, and ancient games played on horseback or wrestling? I see Uygurs, Uzbeks, Tatars, and Kazakhs having (or had) these sorts of things in common with me, but not Azeris.

Now in the modern era, after being ruled by Russians, then Soviets, for all that time, there are fundamental differences between Azerbaijan and Turkey, to the point where I can comfortably say the only thing we have to do with each other  is linguistic similarity (although I think this was always the only similarity). Islam (and any other belief advocating any type of morals for that matter) is dead, and athiest/materialistic communist virtues are still very much the norm.

I have known numerous Turks going to Azerbaijan for business or politics, and they never ever come back with anything good to say. It is a totally different (and poltically/culturally/militarily insignificant) country. From my dealings with big groups of Azeris, their customs and culture are totally different. They have all these things they do that resemble Russian tradition more than Turkic. Nobody takes their shoes off, everyone is stuffing their mouths with pork, they are very loud....What Turk would serve a roasted pig with an apple in it's mouth for dinner?

It's amusing to know that Azerbaijan, being not only defeated but occupied by a country 1 third it's size, sent 100 soldiers to Iraq to help the Americans. Hell, they sold tanks to Armenia while they were at war with them.

Turks and Azeris share none of the same values. All this Turkish and Azeri solidarity non-sense is the result of Azeris trying to bunch themselves up with others who actually HAVE history, culture, and tradition.

Another interesting tidbit, Azeri citizens are not allowed to purchase property in Turkey. The only reason the Turkish government even bothers dealing with Azerbaijan is because of its gas / oil potential.

In essence, I believe Azeris have more to do with Armenians and Russians than Turkic people (note - no jab at Armenians or Russians), and South Azeris have more to do with Iranis than Turkic people. We have more differences than similarities, and our cultures conflict more than they agree. Azeris were always around before the Turks came, and seem to be more like an off-shoot of some Persian peoples than anything else.

Turks have much more in common even today with Tatars, Kazaks, Uzbeks, and especially Uygurs than Azeris.

Just my opinion, Azeris are not and never were Turks. They are not successors to the Turkic nomads of old.

If you want to read something more credible than my rant here, go to http://www.iranchamber.com/people/language_azeri_people_ pan_turkism.php

It's the Irani take on the issue. Although their section on pan-Turkism is ignorant, read what they say on the origins of Azeris and who they really are.


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Originally posted by Feramez The way I look at it is that all Turk tribes are the same people when it comes down to it. The Mongols I see as like cousins in a way.  Though, I think way back in the day Turks and Mongols were basically considered as one people.  But I think other people see it differently.

All Turkic people are not the same at all...

Turkish Turks have extremely little in common with Azeris. In fact, I don't even consider you Azeris Turkic.

As for the political relationship between Mongolia and Turkey, they'res nothing special about it. Although it is probably infinitely more rewarding than our relations with Azerbaijan




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there are some flags that havent been uploaded yet i believe.

The way I look at it is that all Turk tribes are the same people when it comes down to it.  The Mongols I see as like cousins in a way.  Though, I think way back in the day Turks and Mongols were basically considered as one people.  But I think other people see it differently.