Saxon and Scythian

But it turned to almost exclusively linguistic one.

Sounds good, with the 'ik' in there.

You remind me that one of the oddities about my (West Saxon) dialect is that 'mush' means 'man'.  Somehat belligerently, as in "Are you looking at me, mush?"

Originally posted by Sarmat12 Originally posted by gcle2003   However you remind me of an interesting translation problem that arose when I was learning. We had to translate a review of the Brando film 'The Men', which raised the question of how the film's title ought to be translated (Brando is a paraplegic in a veterans hospital post WW2). Nobody ever came up with a perfect solution, partly because we were not allowed a plural of chelovek, partly because it has to be gender-specific, and indeed connotate vigour, and partly because of the definite article.   Suggestions?   Well. The use of "cheloveka" is indeed limited to the combination with some numerals. But it's totally literal and is widely used. I can even refer you to the news articles in Russian by the official mass media which use "X cheloveka" if you are interested.    There was "cheloveki" in the Old Russian. It's indeed is not used now and sounds funny. . I guess the word which was referred by those authors was "cheloveki."   But for "The Men" "Liudi" is indeed the best translation. However, "The Three Men" would be "Tri Cheloveka"

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri As I knew Germanic own beliefs and myths won’t change your beliefs! Bye for now!

I'm not sure what you mean. What Snorri wrote was not the beliefs of the old Germanic peoples. Being a Christian, he tried to invent a human background of the Norse gods. This has been debunked though.
You obviously haven't made up your mind, since in one moment you claim they were imigrating Scyths and in the next moment you start comparing Norse gods with Iranian gods claiming they are similar (you can't have both!!).

As I knew Germanic own beliefs and myths won’t change your beliefs!

Bye for now!

Edited by Cyrus Shahmiri - 03-Jun-2008 at 04:13

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri 1, How did Scythians (who didn't exist at the time) manage to get into Scandinavia and be ancestral to Germanic tribes??   Why should I post all things again?! I have posted several links about it, for example would you please read this one: http://www.bitsofnews.com/content/view/5471/2/

And how many times do I have to repeat Snorris is not credible considering the origin of the gods. Scholars are in agreement there is no basis for his stories, and archaeology agrees. I and other have repeated it at least half a dozen times but you refuse to see it.

And as for the woman: they imported a lot of women from all over the place, many Scandinavian and Slavic rulers in Russia or Poland had Scandinavian wives and vice versa. Nothing extraordinary with that.


Edited by Styrbiorn - 02-Jun-2008 at 21:44

Have you read it yourself Cyrus??
1, It mentions two womam immigrants during the Viking age (834AD) - 3300 years after the time the ancestors of Germanic peoples arrived to Scandinavia. And it clearly says they were immigrants!
2, Then it mentions the origin of Odin, a warrior who arrived to Scandinavia a long time ago - it is not clear whether he was one of the Germanic ancestors or an immigrant who gained respect. South of Caucasus (which comprises Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and part of Southern Russia, including the disputed territories of Abkhazia, Chechnya, South Ossetia and Nagorno-Karabakh) and north of Turkey roughly the same area that IEans are supposed to come from.

So, no, you haven't explained those two points. Please do so now, or in the six days.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Originally posted by Suren Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Originally posted by King John Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Old English Online: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/engol-BF-R.html   <déor> brave, valiant  Cyrus, there is one problem with your definition, it is not complete. The first definition for Déor is not brave, valiant but rather animal, beast.1 Where does that fit into your point? http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=deer&searchmode=none : Deer O.E. deor "animal, beast," from P.Gmc. *deuzan, the general Gmc. word for "animal" (as opposed to man), but often restricted to "wild animal" (cf. O.N. dyr, O.H.G. tior, Ger. Tier, Goth. dius)   Middle Persian: Daurt and Modern Persian Dad (beast of prey, wild animal) -> http://www.windictionary.com/Persian-English-dad-Default.aspx   Cyrus, I've never heard about Dad meaning beast or wild animal in Modern Persian. In which dialect are you talking about? You know Persian language, don't you? "Dad" is the only Persian word for "Wild Animal", antonym of "Dam" which means "domesticated animal"   Please search "dad" and "dam" in Persian: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%D8%AF%D8%AF+%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%85   As you see, this famous poem of Hafiz is in the first link:   Wild Deer - آهوی وحشی   الا ای آهوی وحـشی کـجایی مرا با توسـت چـندین آشـنایی دو تنها و دو سرگردان دو بیکـس دد و دامت کمین از پیش و از پـس   Where are you O Wild Deer? I have known you for a while, here. Both loners, both lost, both forsaken The wild beast, for ambush, have all waken

Right now I know what you are talking about.
The only word that I heard is dad-manesh (wild) which we use it rarely.


Edited by Suren - 02-Jun-2008 at 20:03

Originally posted by SearchAndDestroy Well, you left me speechless, I can't believe you even said that. It was a myth, a tall tale about the people of Atlantis. He didn't think they were Iranic, he thought of them as the lost tribe of a master race, of all blonde hair and blue eyes. Do you have Blonde Hair and Blue eyes? If not, your not Arayan to Hitler's and those believed in the Germanic/Arayan connection.