The Origins of Japanese people

 

The frequency of haplogroup O2b is about 35-47% for Koreans and about 20-35% for Japanese.
Haplogroup C3 dominates in Korea (15-20%), Manchuria (20-25%), Siberia (30-50%), while in Japan it only accounts for 1-2% of Japanese.
Haplogroup O3a5 has moderate distributions throughout Asia.

*Japanese also have the haplogroup D2 branch, which has its origins in Africa->Tibet->Japan. Tibetans and Japanese are probably the closest linked ethnic groups.

http://www.kumanolife.com/History/dna.html
Korean DNA sequence is made up of:
40.6% Korean
21.9% Chinese
1.6% Ainu
17.4% Okinawan
18.5% Unidentified

Japanese DNA sequence is made up of:
4.8% Japanese
24.2% Korean
25.8% Chinese
8.1% Ainu
16.1% Okinawan
21% Unidentified

Chinese DNA sequence is made up of:
60.6% Chinese
1.5% Japanese
10.6% Korean
1.5% Ainu
10.6% Okinawan
15.2% Unidentified

This research isn't fake, it was done using SNP (Single nucleotide polymorphism). Japanese are probably the least homogenous, genetically. makes sense because its an isolated group of islands.


Edited by zstripe - 02-Nov-2008 at 04:13

You guys looks like the same except the Nihonjins are more kawai! I have both Korean and Japanese friends. From my point of view Koreans are more serious in their studies, but Japanese are much cooler to hang out with.

Originally posted by pebbles Yea ... tell it to hypernationalist Korean wackos and non-NE Asian surrogates pushing their pro-Japanese & Korean relatedness or non-Chinese origin of Japanese & Korean ' agenda ' here and elsewhere in cyberspace FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=LOL"

If I run into one, I will. At the moment, though, you're the one who appears to be conflating genetic ancestry with the development of cultural and ethnic identities.

Originally posted by pebbles Both Japanese & Korean languages shared 50%-60% ' Chinese ' vocabulary.

When they started adopting Chinese vocabulary, along with Chinese writing, these nations already had established cultures of their own. So this doesn't tell us anything about their origins (cultural origins, that is). The Chinese influence on the later development of Japan and Korea is undeniable, of course.

Originally posted by pebbles One fundamental is that majority typical Japanese have sharp narrower small faces and slender built oppose to broader-faced Koreans with big-bone bulky physical built. In term of looks,Japanese and Korean look quite different. Great disparity of these basic physical characteristics is sufficient to ' debunk ' any argument that Japanese and Koreans are more closely related than with other NE Asian groups.

I suppose the stereotypical Japanese and the stereotypical Korean may look somewhat different, but in reality most people fall outside these stereotypes and there is a great deal of overlap in the appearance of actual Korean and Japanese people. And frankly I have no idea where your "slender built"/"big-bone bulky physical built" idea comes from.

Originally posted by pebbles Originally posted by Leonidas Originally posted by pebbles   Japanese are more ' mud ' than you all previously believed.   what do you mean by this?     Don't the Japanese always pride themselves as ethnically homogeneous

They are one ethnic group?!? Aniu excepted, japan is pretty much one ethnic society.

 wow, everyone has multi- ancestry nothing unique here. i do but i dont walk around saying i am a 'pie chart', nope im greek. Ethnos (nationality) is perceved and yes interchanged with genos (blood line) but that is a human condition. Not a japanese one.

http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald/WorldHaplogroupsMaps.pdf

Japanese are pretty unique, haplo D only shared by tibetan and adaman islanders. i came across this before the d group

Originally posted by Bernard Woolley There's no such thing as a "genetic language family." Out of curiosity, what is your source on this? What about the Japanese and Korean languages and cultures leads you to believe that their roots lie in China? Why do you think that their linguistic similarity is the result of Chinese influence.

Just to correct some truly bizarre statements:

Originally posted by pebbles There certinly isn't any evidence that Korean and Japanese are Altaic Languages. It's just something some Finnish Scientist made up and everyone else just assumed to be true. Korean is similar, if not related, to Japanese. They are Grammatically pretty identical where as vocabulary wise they are no.

Shared grammer is an extremely strong indicator of linguistic relationships. If two languages have the same grammar, but different vocabulary, it suggests that they began as the same language but picked up different outside influences later.

Originally posted by pebbles Their similarities come from cohabitation and borrowing. It is thus not surprising that Japanese would share some of those similarities with NE Asia.

Originally posted by pebbles It is not only Japanese people who recognize that the Ryukyuan languages belong in the same family as the Japanese language/dialects. Any student of linguistics can guarantee you that the Ryukyuan and Japanese languages share a very large percentage of cognate vocabulary.

Actually, languages that develop shared vocabulary but have different grammar are usually considered to have different roots, but long co-habitation.

Originally posted by pebbles Since when did language groups denote race ?

Never. You're boxing with shadows.

Originally posted by pebbles Japanese language indeed has some characteristics that make it close to the Altaic languages (Turkic, Mongolian, Manchu-Tungusic, Korean), but the Altaic languages don't constitue a genetic language family, as Indo-European for example.

Wait a minute...so Indo-European languages, unlike Altaic ones, ARE genetically determined? That doesn't make any sense. There's no such thing as a "genetic language family."

Originally posted by pebbles If anything, the Koreans and Japanese should see themselves more as having a common history of imported Chinese language and philosophy.Their languages have gotten more similar over time.

Out of curiosity, what is your source on this? What about the Japanese and Korean languages and cultures leads you to believe that their roots lie in China? Why do you think that their linguistic similarity is the result of Chinese influence, when their similar elements (grammar, as you said above) are not shared by Chinese language?

Originally posted by pebbles There is a major misconception that has been pushing certain Japanese and Korean scholars to find non-Chinese origin for them to feel safe, but the source of their fear was a phantom, a propagandist claim within their neo-Confucian factions that used sinocentrist rhetoric of their times to gain unfair advantage over liberalist ideas. One need not fight a Chinese enemy that does not exist.The great diversity of the origin and evolution of Chinese civilization that has been gaining steady momentum should rid the need for pursuing a non-Chinese origin for there is no such thing as a single Chinese origin.

Indeed, there is no need for Japan and Korea to fight China, and China is a wonderful, diverse place. However, the fact that many things come from China doesn't mean that everything comes from China.