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Topic: Ancient Anatolian Peoples Posted: 21-Jul-2005 at 12:54 |
Originally posted by Maju
I made good friendship with a couple of Kurds I met at Istanbul... they admitted they were Kurds but didn't dare to speak on the issue on fear of repression (I can only imagine).
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I had the same experience when I went in '96 and '98.
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Posted: 21-Jul-2005 at 12:47 |
Dirty talk? Shi*. You go and commit suicide idiot, that's the best thing you can provide and contribute to the world heritage.
We know Kurds more than you in Sweden, we live, talk, share things with them. What do YOU know abut Kurds and our opinions about them huh? You think PKK is the general view or action of Kurds, we oppress Kurds etc. That is nothing but being over extremely ignorant...
The problem is you! Turks and nothing else... You guys are soooo brainwashed that you protect a regime that is built by oppression, kemalism and fascism!! |
I see your brain is STILL WET that it makes short circuits. Just get a life mullah...
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Posted: 21-Jul-2005 at 11:22 |
QUOTE=Cent]Well, look at the others, how they write, there aren't many kurds in this forum, and the turks talk their dirty talk all the time... And everyone seems to accept it.[/QUOTE]
Wich dirty talk, and who did accept it?
If you want ill post here all the dirty talks about Turks in this forum, thats gonna be 4-5 pages.
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Posted: 21-Jul-2005 at 11:07 |
Originally posted by Cent
Well, look at the others, how they write, there aren't many
kurds in this forum, and the turks talk their dirty talk all the
time... And everyone seems to accept it. |
We have made a breakthrough. This has been on everybody's mind, but nobody wanted to be the first one to say it.
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Posted: 21-Jul-2005 at 09:54 |
I made good friendship with a couple of Kurds I met at Istanbul... they admitted they were Kurds but didn't dare to speak on the issue on fear of repression (I can only imagine).
Maju for political prisoner, you should not look for leyla zana.
our president also went to prison.
It is last step before becoming president.
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Posted: 21-Jul-2005 at 09:46 |
i agree
Originally posted by Cent
Well, look at the others, how they write, there aren't many kurds in this forum, and the turks talk their dirty talk all the time... And everyone seems to accept it. |
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Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 18:19 |
Thank you Maju, who is telling the truth about the kurdish situation in Turkey!
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Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 17:16 |
Originally posted by Alparslan
There are rules in all parliaments. In Turkey the
official language of the state is Turkish and Turkish is spoken in the
parliament.
I think you are talking about the Leyla Zana case. She came and
prayed to be a member of the parlaiment in Kurdish. The rules and
procedures are written in laws. There are also some official
procedures. Anyone can NOT act according to her/his wishes in the
parliament or in the street or in the plane.
MOREOVER Leyla Zana had come to pray carrying PKK (a terrorist
organization) colors. She was willing to enter into prison and she
get it (...)
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Kurdish colors, the Kurdish flag are not the monopoly of any organization. Leyla Zana is a political prisioner with all the letters, a prisioner of conscience
and the highest manifestation that Turkey is not a democracy, at least
for Kurds, who are forbidden even to organize their own nationalist
party.
I admire Turk secularism, specially in this time of fanaticisms, but I
can't but despise the ultra-nationalist, racist stand of Turkey against
Kurds.
I can't also support Turk militarism, I know how conscientious
objectors are treated in your country and I don't like it at all.
(Of course all those problems aren't just privative of Turkey but they are also in Turkey and very severely).
I made good friendship with a couple of Kurds I met at Istanbul... they
admitted they were Kurds but didn't dare to speak on the issue on fear
of repression (I can only imagine).
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Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 15:25 |
Well, look at the others, how they write, there aren't many kurds in this forum, and the turks talk their dirty talk all the time... And everyone seems to accept it.
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Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 15:24 |
Wow Cent, what an openminded and ontopic statement...
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Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 15:18 |
The problem is you! Turks and nothing else... You guys are soooo brainwashed that you protect a regime that is built by oppression, kemalism and fascism!!
Other nationalities would take stand against such things but you turks embrace them and speak so highly about your country, and it's so SAD.
Good luck with PKK and GOD SAVE KURDS AND THEIR FREEDOM!
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Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 14:40 |
Originally posted by Zagros Purya
No they are certainly not! They are the most humble, scientific and factual of all humans, watch your mouth! Every assertation they make is backed up by at least ten academic references! If a Turk says Nowe Rooz is Turkish, who do you think you are to argue with him? |
yea, whats youre problem then? Show me youre problem and ill try to solve it.
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Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 14:02 |
No they are certainly not! They are the most humble, scientific and factual of all humans, watch your mouth! Every assertation they make is backed up by at least ten academic references! If a Turk says Nowe Rooz is Turkish, who do you think you are to argue with him?
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Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 13:54 |
Originally posted by Alparslan
Originally posted by Cent
"At that times,we had a kurdish president. Turgut Ozal one of the most loved and good Turkey president. And we had an other Kurdish politician, minister of domestic affairs.(Dont remember his name)"
Yeah, that's good right? Those who are in the turkish parlament must erase their kurdish identity and be ONLY turks... You call that democracy?No, turks want to destroy kurds and always have.
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There are rules in all parliaments. In Turkey the official language of the state is Turkish and Turkish is spoken in the parliament.
I think you are talking about the Leyla Zana case. She came and prayed to be a member of the parlaiment in Kurdish. The rules and procedures are written in laws. There are also some official procedures. Anyone can NOT act according to her/his wishes in the parliament or in the street or in the plane.
MOREOVER Leyla Zana had come to pray carrying PKK (a terrorist organization) colors. She was willing to enter into prison and she get it. Her aim was to make manipulations over the issue. Every act who is in favor of killing other people including soldiers and villagers (Kurds and Turks) since they are not supporting them and they are not sharing their opinions will be heavily punished in the future and punished in the past in Turkey.
The last action of PKK was massacring Kurdish intellectuals in the streets since they are not thinking like them. I think you know the events better than me but I do not think that these are written in the Swedish media. The same tactic of PKK;terrorise the people and force them to support them. Otherwise you will die.....
In legal terms, it is called Turks for everybody who is citizen of Turkey as in the case of many other countries of the world. A black people may come from Liberia or Ruwanda to USA but they are called Americans. They do not call themselves as Liberian or Ruwandan. They cannot be a member of parliament as being Ruwandan or Liberian or pray on bible in the Liberian langauge. The same is for Dutch, Swedish, British origined Americans. The same state mentality and philoshopy applies in France and many other countries.... This is the modern state mentality to avoid racism and serves for equal treatment between citizens.
You cannot be a Kurdish parliament member in Turkey. If you really want to be so you should go to Iraq.
Turkey's rules are like this. If you do not like you can go to somewhere else. And it seems like you did so. Thank you very much. Stay away from us as much as possible....
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And Turks are not chauvinist at all!
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Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 12:09 |
Originally posted by Cent
"At that times,we had a kurdish president. Turgut Ozal one of the most loved and good Turkey president. And we had an other Kurdish politician, minister of domestic affairs.(Dont remember his name)"
Yeah, that's good right? Those who are in the turkish parlament must erase their kurdish identity and be ONLY turks... You call that democracy?No, turks want to destroy kurds and always have.
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There are rules in all parliaments. In Turkey the official language of the state is Turkish and Turkish is spoken in the parliament.
I think you are talking about the Leyla Zana case. She came and prayed to be a member of the parlaiment in Kurdish. The rules and procedures are written in laws. There are also some official procedures. Anyone can NOT act according to her/his wishes in the parliament or in the street or in the plane.
MOREOVER Leyla Zana had come to pray carrying PKK (a terrorist organization) colors. She was willing to enter into prison and she get it. Her aim was to make manipulations over the issue. Every act who is in favor of killing other people including soldiers and villagers (Kurds and Turks) since they are not supporting them and they are not sharing their opinions will be heavily punished in the future and punished in the past in Turkey.
The last action of PKK was massacring Kurdish intellectuals in the streets since they are not thinking like them. I think you know the events better than me but I do not think that these are written in the Swedish media. The same tactic of PKK;terrorise the people and force them to support them. Otherwise you will die.....
In legal terms, it is called Turks for everybody who is citizen of Turkey as in the case of many other countries of the world. A black people may come from Liberia or Ruwanda to USA but they are called Americans. They do not call themselves as Liberian or Ruwandan. They cannot be a member of parliament as being Ruwandan or Liberian or pray on bible in the Liberian langauge. The same is for Dutch, Swedish, British origined Americans. The same state mentality and philoshopy applies in France and many other countries.... This is the modern state mentality to avoid racism and serves for equal treatment between citizens.
You cannot be a Kurdish parliament member in Turkey. If you really want to be so you should go to Iraq.
Turkey's rules are like this. If you do not like you can go to somewhere else. And it seems like you did so. Thank you very much. Stay away from us as much as possible....
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Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 10:59 |
Of course you are an enemy of democracy if you support Turkey. I'm suprised you didn't know that... Btw Turkey isn't a democracy, it's a military state who doesn't even know what democracy stands for.
WOW! Is it the most democratic state in the middle east? Well then VIVA TURKEY! How can you compare Turkey with dictator states in The middle East? BTW i think Israel is the most democratic state there...
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Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 09:38 |
Yeah, that's good right? Those who are in the turkish parlament must erase their kurdish identity and be ONLY turks... You call that democracy?No, turks want to destroy kurds and always have
Is this joke?
do you forget Turgut ozel help to kurds?
Do you know, Turgut ozel idea to change Name of Turkey?
Republic of anatolia?
Do you forget how Kurdish politicians bloked Turkish army entering war with USA? (with the help of CHP and islamist politicians)
Murtaza: Do you support Turkey? Well if you do, then you don't like democracy, because everything they do is against that, just so you know!
Turkey have more democracy than other middle eastner country. So yes I support Turkey, I dont support her mistakes but support herself.
What a complex type of thinker you are.
If you support turkey you are enemy of democracy. Peh.So I am trying to disccuss with you. She is most democratic country of middle east.
Accept or not but she have to improve her democracy.
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Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 09:26 |
Murtaza: Do you support Turkey? Well if you do, then you don't like democracy, because everything they do is against that, just so you know!
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Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 09:23 |
"At that times,we had a kurdish president. Turgut Ozal one of the most loved and good Turkey president. And we had an other Kurdish politician, minister of domestic affairs.(Dont remember his name)"
Yeah, that's good right? Those who are in the turkish parlament must erase their kurdish identity and be ONLY turks... You call that democracy?No, turks want to destroy kurds and always have.
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Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 07:56 |
While Turkmens in Iraq are Turkmens, 95% of them are not Turkish (Jomhuriye Turkiye) nationalists as deomonstrated in the recent elections in which the Turkish infiltrated nationalist Turkmen party received a negligible share of the vote.
No one is calling them Kurds, quite the contrary.
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