The Iranian Language

Ops yes i was wrong Ferdos was actully mentioned in the Quran.

about "Din" actully in Arabic it has different root and meaning than the Persian one, so it didnt come from Persian language.

farohar

I voted yes but I felt that I had to explain why, by voting yes I don't mean that Persian language is a dieing language (that would be ridicules) Imagine a language as a snowball rolling down a mountain, as it rolls it gets bigger and swallows everything on its way, by the time it stops it may be one gigantic hill which may not have the pure content, shape or size of its origin but it is in fact, the same snowball but with richer content, languages borrow words and that is how they develop. For a language to get to a richer level there are three choices:

1- Borrow foreign words: I have nothing against borrowing words but I feel they should be reduced to 10-15% per language, meaning if you have 10000 words borrowed from Arabic language it should be reduced to 1000-1500. We have to remember that many of the words that most think are Arabic, are in fact Persian words, so I would be careful calling every word Arabic, For example many would say that the word "sad" (hundred - 100 - written with 's�t') is a Arabic word while it is actually a miswritten Persian word. "Sadeh festival"

or the word "d�var" (referee) used today, was used 15 centuries ago as d�dvar (judge) but, then again 15 centuries ago Iranians didn't play football, so today we say d�dras/q�zi (judge).

2- Combine words: Best way but, one should be careful not to get too many long words that are hard to use.

3- Make artificial words: you have to start somewhere, I don't think the caveman really thought of this when he was saying "me hunt you cook". There are about 21952 combinations of 3 letter words (as a root word) you can make with Persian alphabet, however only 2904 of these are easy to pronounce and most of them are already in use. This number for pronounceable words in 4 letter words is 17424 and for five letter words 383328) so there are allot of possibilities here.

All this said, in the end people will decide what words to use.

Sabzevarian

UniPers is a great idea for a secondary language but on the other hand most Iranians know this alphabet already. I prefer reconstructing the existing alphabet because it's do-able, easy to adjust, fast to learn, keeps us close to our history and it does not damage Persian calligraphy. here is an idea:

Zagros

I don't mean to change the subject here but yes many words in the Qur'an are indeed of Iranian origin, like the word "din/deen" (religion) used in Qur'an Al-Baqara[2:256] Al-Imran[3:19], [3-24], [3-73], [3-83] and [3-85].

"Din/deen"(religion) is driven form the word "daena"

GOOD CONSCIENCE

Turning to the Zarathushtrian religion, the conscientious term, most probably coined and used first by the founder, Zarathushtra, is "Da�n�". It is derived from the Avestan root "di" or "dai" (Sanskrit "dhyai"), meaning to "see, view, perceive, contemplate, ponder, mediate" with a participle suffix "na". Da�n� means "conscience, discernment, insight", and of course, "religion". It is according to Zarathushtra, one's discerning insight that forms one's religion, in fact, conviction. The Indian term "dhy�na", focusing of thoughts to comprehend a fact, meditation, is a cognate.

But while the Indian dhyana helps an individual to concentrate to promote his or her own individual mental faculty, the Zarathushtrian Daena unites all those who think, discern, and choose alike in one great fellowship of conviction -- the religion of Good Conscience, Da�n� Vanguhi-- founded, preached and promoted by Zarathushtra. Zarathushtra uses the term Daena for a total of 26 times in his sublime songs, the Divine Gathas.

Zoroastrianism

Ahura Mazda is the beginning and the end, the creator of everything which can and cannot be seen, the Eternal, the Pure and the only Truth. Zoroastrian morality is summed up in the simple phrase, "Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds". Daena (din in modern Persian) is the eternal Law, whose order was revealed to humanity through the Mathra-Spenta "Holy Words". Daena has been used to mean religion, faith, law, even as a translation for the Buddhist and Hindu term Dharma: it is the correct order of the universe, which humanity naturally must follow through the Kusti "Holy Path" in order to be a Behdini "Follower of the Proper/Good Religion".

Pardis - ferdows is another example, I think many words in the Qur'an are of Iranian origin.

the funny part is that many of the words are actually loop back were pronunciation has dramatically changed because arabic does not have many of the sounds used in IE or altaic languages. Like word borj was borrowed from Persian barg. Arabs could not pronounce g and had to change that to j now that word is borrowed back in Persian and they also use borj

Or kind of like what arab did trying to clean up turkish and persain words from arabic when they got together in Egypt after the ottoman era

I guess you mean similarities between Iranians and Ancient Croats, because they were assimilated by Slavs.

Here is a link:

http://www.magma.ca/~rendic/chapter1.htm

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I voted "Yes".

I think that we can and we should preserve our national language.It's a nessesiate!