Kurdicization of Anatolia

Attempts to change the demographic structure of Kirkuk city...

Published: 15.10.2004 ...by the American supported Kurds   SOITM, Nijmegen, 15.10.2004 -- After the war and occupation of Iraq by the Anglo-American forces in April 2003, the Kurdish political parties KDP and PUK who had supported it with their armed militias - for their own old political agenda to take control of Kirkuk province and its oil wealth - were rewarded for their collaboration with the Americans who allowed� their militias to enter Kirkuk and perpetrate in this mainly Turkmen city the exactions, human rights abuses and looting that they allowed to happen in all other parts of what they called "liberated Iraq", as we have all seen on the TV screens last year.   One of the most dangerous acts of looting that took place in Kirkuk city after its tragic "liberation" was politically motivated; it targeted the city's Turkmen identity and its Turkmen population. It was committed by the Kurdish militias with the complicity of the American occupying forces who turned a blind eye to their exactions in the city.   As soon as the Kurdish militias entered the city they started looting and destroying the two most sensitive office buildings, namely the offices of civil population registrations and the offices of property and deeds registrations after seizing all the archives and registers.   This despicable and politically motivated act of looting of Kirkuk city's most important offices happened without much publicity. Their other aims being to take control of Kirkuk municipality and to be allowed to carry out a Kurdification policy in the Turkmen region.   Effectively, we have seen that the Americans have given the majority of the seats of the municipality council to the Kurds; even the post of mayor was given to a Kurd, despite the fact that the Kurds have never been the majority in Kirkuk. No doubt this was the Turkmen's share of the "democracy" promised by the Anglo-Americans to the Iraqi people!   Once the Kurdish controlled council of Kirkuk municipality was installed, the Kurdish majority started applying their policy of Kurdification of the Turkmen region in and around Kirkuk.� Indeed, they brought in tens of thousands of Kurds from outside Kirkuk province, from Suleymaniya, Duhuk and even from Iran and Turkey. They provided them with logistic support to reach Kirkuk where they installed them not only in Kirkuk’s municipality properties and in Iraqi army buildings but also in Turkmen registered properties and lands.   These new Kurdish migrants to Kirkuk have been given financial help and incentives to start building houses in their new location in and around the city in order to change the demography and the ethnic composition of this Turkmen city and province in preparation for the upcoming census and elections.   All the above exactions continue to happen despite Turkmen denunciations, objections and demonstrations and despite their complaints to the Iraqi Interim Government and to the occupation authorities.   It is a well known fact that during the 1980s the Baath regime, in pursue of its Arabization policy of� Kerkuk province, has confiscated Turkmen lands and homes and has destroyed and levelled to the ground more than 20,000 Turkmen houses, namely in the Turkmen populated sectors 39, 52 and 63 in the Old Tisin neighbourhood of Kirkuk.   Today, the Kurdish controlled municipality of Kirkuk is installing thousands of their new migrants whom they brought to Kirkuk in Turkmen areas which had been confiscated by the old regime, i.e.: The Officers Houses in the Al-Wasiti neighborhood. Hundreds of houses in region number 63 and Khalid Military Camp. Social Care Office houses in the al-Wasiti neighborhood, region number 39. Mikdad Center which is located in the Sikak Houses, region number 39 The houses near the Northern Gas Company, Old Tisin region number 39. All the above mentioned localities and regions are located in the Old Tisin neighborhoods of Kirkuk.   These new confiscations of Turkmen lands and properties are carried out by the Kurds with the full knowledge and tacit agreement of the occupation authorities, in contradiction with the basic principles of equity and human rights.

Originally posted by Oguzoglu BTW, yes, Turkmens are a big population in Northern Iraq, and Kirkuk was a Turkmen city before the American policies of Kurdifying all the region to create their puppet Kurdish state and own all the petrol easily. They are victims of imperialism, so let your "just" view shine upon also Turkmens, instead of a proKurd mentality.

you're joking right? how do you come up with all this crap? NO, turkomens in iraq are like 0.0001% of the population, and some live in kirkuk,  doesnt make the city a torkaman city. kurds used to live there for thousands of years, and but since saddams murdurous campain they were forced out.

Maju related to "what is homeland of Turks", one can call It anatolia,  and  another can call it, selanik.

so this is realy a comic statement.I think you are much pro-Turk.be try neutral.

 

 

Shanshallah..

Being a 'Turk' is something to be proud of, as is being an 'Persian', we fought for these lands, and we live here because our forefathers gave up everything for this land, be they a prince, be they a beggar, our blood is on these lands in the turf itself.. We as 'turks' although might be of many ethnicities, are 'turks'. We will protect this land and our enemies land at all costs from any bands of unworthy theives..that have goals to high to fit their bill

So if anyone fantasizes to tear up Turkey, re-call it anatolia, tear up Iran, and Syria.. they will see that hell isnt that bad a place after all.

But if we fight with each other with these coutries it will be with dignaty and respect, against worthy opponents.



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kurds are actually part of syria, ,kurds in syria have a rich history, with salahedin ayubbi creating the syrian sultanate. anyway, although syria is bathist therofre pan-arab system, kurds in syria are pretty well treated (if you dont count the recent skirmishes and violence), kurds in syria had and i think still do many politicians in syria. i believe during assad's father's reign, there were many respected kurdish politicians.  and kurdish soldiers also faught against israelis, there are some kurdish population around damascus.

I think this whole thing should be settle once and for all; the Turks should definitly let go of their racist ways (even though most disagree), turks in turkey should drop their all turkish identity of their country, and realize their country is a mulitcultural and mult-ethnic country

first step is that, then i think you should change your country's name to Anatolia or w/e that represents all the ethnicities. This wouldnt work unless turks drop their pan-turkish government and system.

same with iraq, now Iraq doesnt have to change its name (its name basically is an arabic (?) word drived from persian meaning land between two rivers , mesopotamia), but iraq should drop its pan-arab racist ways and system and realize iraq is not an arab country, same with syria, now syria doesnt have to change its name either. Both the names represent the land. but governments are very pan arab, well in iraq they used to be.

Iran should also drop its persian chuavinism and give kurds all of their rights.

either that or just give kurds their own state, or just give all of the kurdish areas to Iran.

 

Cent, so that is the point, we are against PKK, not kurds. At least  much of us.(Every race has her facists)

I wish kurds becomes prosperous, and live their culture. we have democracy, I am sure It have some mistakes, but Kurds can get their politic aims with the democracy.So I wish they follow way of democracy.

Noone can refused someone because he is kurd. For leyla Zana and others(they were from hadep),  we think they  are toy of PKK. You can find a lot kurdish politician at others  party.(For  ex:AKP)

Of course nothing is perfect but I think everything is improving in Turkey.Do you know Army want  more power because of Last PKK attacks? They  think new laws are limiting them. So  I dont think PKK is helping Kurdish people.It is trying to destroy friendship between Turks and Kurds.

 

 

 

 

Cent, I dont care If all anatolia becomes kurd.I am just talking about reality. Kurds are not so much bad position as you  stated(they have effect with Turkish politics too) and  I dont think there is 15-20 million kurd in turkey. Hadep get just 5% 6%. If there is 20 million  kurds, She should  take 33%.(Akp get 34%)

Or other  alternatives, just 1/5 (6/30) kurds support ethnic kurdish party. So Kurds are happy at Turkey. So pls dont speak for kurds.80% of  them dont like PKK and we are not sure all of Hadep voter like PKK.

which alternative you liked?

In fact for this we  have not much proof, Kurd population is growing more than Turks.  isnt this  enough cent?

 

Actaully I've posted links, and used the links provided by 'Shanshallah' to prove some of my thoughts and disprove others.. its just an anti-hypothesis on what 'kurds' are saying.. you see, I opened the thread on 'Who are the kurds' because I need exact and undisputable evidence of their existance in history at specific times apart from ottoman times, when they were just a minority and their name was used in various forms.. but before those times, the things people have put up here are just ridiculus.. and the 'amount' of kurds those are in ottoman records, just simply doesnt logically add up to their amount today, meaning to say that there are masses just calling themselves kurds for other reasons.. I put a link to the ottoman archives here, I belive in some thread Azimuth was asking for it.

Propaganda that is made here, yes to some degree but then again, thats what you get for using sources of people that are insupport of kurdic goals..

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