US hypocrisy

Originally posted by SearchAndDestroy don't think CNN is all that biased, they tell it how it is. But then again I don't watch any of their shows, maybe Lou Dobbs, but all he talks about is securing the borders and trying to make America safer. While he brings up good points I'm getting alittle tired of hearing it.

Now that you mention it, Lou Dobbs is about the only one on CNN who seems to stick it to both sides and tries to hold both Demicans and Republicrats accountable for their outrages.  However, even he seems to slip into the Leftist party line that CNN touts after a while.  If he were to show his good sense all of the time, he would probably be fired!

Anyways there's nothing wrong talking down a president, all those you named even talked down on Clinton and still do with his wife and talk about all their Scandals. Like I said they only put up stories that will cause the most interest to cash in and beat their competitors.

Yes definitely.  I am by no means a Republican boot-licker who sticks up for Bush.  I think he has become a liberal in his second term.  The true Conservatives, who are not to be confused with the phony conservative Republicans, were cheated in the election by Bush.  He has turned his back on the base that elected him.

Originally posted by Mila Lastly - no one ever likes the rich kid. Especially when they're fat and change the rules of the game every recess.

Yeah, they are all jealous of his parents' wealth and think that it should be given to their parents, since the rich kid's parents probably didn't earn it in an honest way. [/sarcasm]

Originally posted by hugoestr If Bush didn't help by behaving like a "big-bad" Republican, then the media couldn't do anything, could they?

He isn't capable of acting "big and bad" and neither are the whiny little sophist Republicans in Congress!  I WISH they would act big and bad for once and put the Leftists in their place.

Originally posted by Decebal You don't seriously believe that all the news stations that criticize the president are the enemy of the country, do you? This is exactly the line fed by state propaganda in fascist and communist countries. "directly opposed to the well-being and preservation of the USA as a country" WOW!!! Been listening to a bit too much Ann Coulter, have you?

Yes, I do believe most of the stations are extensions of the socialist Left-wing in the US.  All other cares and interests are subordinated to their hatred of the Bush dynasty and the Republicans.  Most of the newscasters and the executives of these organizations are still stuck on that 60's era mentality of wanting to bring down a Republican White House.

And no, I do not listen to Anne Coulter!  She is way too nice for my liking and plus she is a fence sitter like most of the "conservative" talk show hosts - they waffle in between kissing Bush's butt and outright liberalism. 

If all Americans thought like you, America would be a fascist country that Hitler could be proud of. Whatever happened to free speech and differing opinions, which are the pillars of the democracy that Americans are so proud of? I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend that perhaps that came out wrong. If it didn't and you seriously believe that, then I suggest you take a long look at your own convictions.

Don't you sit there on your self-rightous tail and lecture me!  The "Hitler fascism" argument is straight out of Air America (or should I say Air Canada) and leftist talking points.  Don't try to pull that crap on me, you will not win with it.  When did I ever deny anyone their right to free speech?  I am criticizing the media and giving my own opinion about what I think they are all about, just like they give their tired old opinion about Bush and conservatives every stinking day on their programs!   Maybe you just don't like what I said because I am a Conservative; in which case, why don't you just come out and say it!  NO, what I said DID NOT come out wrong.

Originally posted by Seko The problem that I have with the cheerleading news networks on cable is that you get an editorialized version of the news. I would like to see more formats where the audience of those very same networks become more involved via interactive participation. Dispute and debate with the average Joe instead of only inviting the so-called experts. This way the ringleaders that invade my TV will get faced with questions they can't easily manipulate to their liking.

Well said.  I can't argue here.

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US hypocrisy?! US?!

Why US? It's not a country that is hypocrite.  Maybe some senator, the President, some secretary or whatever, not the whole US! A few morons that by some chance are US citizens and are hypocrites doesn't neccessary leads to the conclusion that US citizens are hypocrites! Does, it?

There are hypocrites everywhere, in US as in every other countries.

Go for it US guys, show that US hypocrisy is the same as any other country hypocrisy!

*I hate unaccurate statements!!! Mostly when I say something and people think I'm hypocrite!

Originally posted by Mila I remember a little over a year ago, the United States changed something - illegally, according to trade laws, I might add - related to steel imports. How many Americans even knew it happened? While, in Russia, whole cities in the north were economically destroyed. I remember seeing a special about the sudden rise in unemployment as factories were forced to close, the associated rise in suicide rates, domestic violence rates, and so on.

Good. Screw the economic stability of Northern Russia. It's not America's problem. Shoud America respect trade laws it's signed onto? Yes, but I think all these trade laws are stupid. I'm against fair trade. The US govt. is in the business of ensuring the welfare of it's citizens and if that means it has to make economic decisions that afffect people overseas in order to benefit their citizens then so be it. We live in a capitalist world, it's not fair and its not nice. Either we change from capitalism to something else, or we stop complaining when we get beaten. A government should have every right to aid its people. In America, Americans first....foreigners second. Who honestly wants their govt. to put foreigners before their own people?

and every nation is equally hypocritical. America's hypocricy jsut gets thrown center stage. Russia really ahs no place criticizing US involvement in Iraq......look what they are doing in Chechnya, but teh world doesn't want to really deal with the Chechnya problem. Lets just hollar about Iraq, its easier. Right? What about China and Tibet? France loved too criticize America about racism over the years while oppressing their own immigrants and citizens. Hypocrites. If you are number one in the world, then your activities are going to be more well known. It doesn't matter if America's policies affect more people, that doesn't justify hypocricy in other nations. Either every nation stops being hypocritcal, or we need to stop criticizing each other. Because, in the end, we're all the same....hypocrites.

not to mention nations trying to balme others for their problems. Look at Greece and Turkey trying to blame others for them killing each other. It's pathetic. Man up to your own problems. There are many problems that are caused by other nations, and blaming them is legit, but ww ahve grown to fond of the blame game. It's easier to blame someone else then handling the problem yourself. but in teh end....I don't care, anyone who unjustly passes the blame is only hurting themselves in the long run, and they get what they deserve.

Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor Fox is a big Bush boot-kisser organization.  However, every country I am assuming, has its own propaganda machine that props up its leaders.  CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, and PBS on the other hand are by far the worst evils.  They are practically sister-stations of and extensions of al-Jazeera and act as the enemy's propaganda machine.  They and their "news" is directly opposed to the well-being and preservation of the USA as a country.  Their single monolithic focus is to smear Bush's image and to cause another Watergate and get another "big-bad" Republican presidency out of the White House.

You don't seriously believe that all the news stations that criticize the president are the enemy of the country, do you? This is exactly the line fed by state propaganda in fascist and communist countries.

"directly opposed to the well-being and preservation of the USA as a country" WOW!!! Been listening to a bit too much Ann Coulter, have you?

Seriously, how can you possibly make such an affirmation? You know what? To be honest with you, seen from Canada, all these stations seem rather mild on Bush. And they were major boot-lickers until a year or two ago. While it may be true that the media in general is sensationalist, form there to go and say that they have an agenda directly opposed to the survival of the USA is complete nonsense. Actually, it's worse than that. If all Americans thought like you, America would be a fascist country that Hitler could be proud of. Whatever happened to free speech and differing opinions, which are the pillars of the democracy that Americans are so proud of? I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend that perhaps that came out wrong. If it didn't and you seriously believe that, then I suggest you take a long look at your own convictions.

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Originally posted by hugoestr Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival Ya, but its better than the presidential ass-kissing handed out by Fox News on a nightly basis. I used to pick the lesser of two evils and watch CNN, but i dont even watch news on t.v. anymore...it became redundant for me. Yeah, it is pretty redunant; I just watch it mainly for the entertainment value nowadays. Fox is a big Bush boot-kisser organization. However, every country I am assuming, has its own propaganda machine that props up its leaders. CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, and PBS on the other hand are by far the worst evils. They are practically sister-stations of and extensions of al-Jazeera and act as the enemy's propaganda machine. They and their "news" is directly opposed to the well-being and preservation of the USA as a country. Their single monolithic focus is to smear Bush's image and to cause another Watergate and get another "big-bad" Republican presidency out of the White House. If Bush didn't help by behaving like a "big-bad" Republican, then the media couldn't do anything, could they?

All politicians must behave like their constituencies in order to pander to them.  It is the same if you are a republican or a communist.

 

 

I think it's something you have to expect, being a superpower. You certainly didn't get there alone, and you certainly couldn't maintain it at the level it is today without economic cooperation from the rest of the world.

Non-Americans are largely more informed about the consequences of your government's decisions than Americans are, this has been shown so many times - do you think we're just gossiping? It's in our interest to know because your government's policies affect the average non-American quite strongly.

I remember a little over a year ago, the United States changed something - illegally, according to trade laws, I might add - related to steel imports. How many Americans even knew it happened? While, in Russia, whole cities in the north were economically destroyed. I remember seeing a special about the sudden rise in unemployment as factories were forced to close, the associated rise in suicide rates, domestic violence rates, and so on.

That ignorence is irritating. I could stomach the decisions made by the American government better if the American people actually cared enough to know about them, and their consequences.

Lastly - no one ever likes the rich kid. Especially when they're fat and change the rules of the game every recess.

Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor Originally posted by strategos The US, full of its ideas of democracy and freedom throughout the world, has been very hypocritacal at many times in its history, especially recently. The US wants to spread peace throughout the Middle East but will BREAK ITS BACK for countries like Saudi Arabia and to some degree Kuwait. The US supported the coup in the 1960's-1970's that overthrough the Government of Greece. The fact that Lebanon still faces aggression from Israel which wants Syria to be treated as a pariah state; or that Iran and Syria are accused of possession of weapons of mass destruction while Israel is permitted to protect its arsenal of WMDs is all part of the hypocrisy that characterises US foreign policy.   It is very hypocritical for the US government to claim to promote democracy and freedom throughout the world yet when it comes to the nation of Cyprus expediency and a double standard takes precedence over the lofty ideals of liberty. For a minute there I thought I was reading another editorializing bit of news from some CNN reporter! Originally posted by Genghis The U.S. is doing what it needs to, defending it's interests.  A country should do nothing else except that. Excellent.  I agree with you. Its not like this is all America does, to all you liberal do-gooders out there.  America bends over backwords and forks over way to much money and resources in charity and relief to the rest of the world.  It is never enough and all we get in return is a bunch of ungrateful and spiteful attacks through the world (inlcuding the US media) media.

-I couldnt agree more. Other countries are always talking about how they get the short-end of the stick or how the US did them wrong or could have done better in this aspect or that aspect...............as if their particular interests were the ONLY interests. It is a very political world and no other country is involved in so much and helps and is expected to help as much as the US. You cant always satisfy everyone and just like what was stated earlier, a country is going to look after its interests.

There was a study from some university that said Americans who watch Comedy central knew more about whats going on then watching Fox. I don't know if it was posted here or if I read it someplace else, but I couldn't find the study, so I can't say if it's true or not, but funny anyways.

I don't think CNN is all that biased, they tell it how it is. But then again I don't watch any of their shows, maybe Lou Dobbs, but all he talks about is securing the borders and trying to make America safer. While he brings up good points I'm getting alittle tired of hearing it.

I'll watch Wolfe Blitzer tomorrow.

Anyways there's nothing wrong talking down a president, all those you named even talked down on Clinton and still do with his wife and talk about all their Scandals. Like I said they only put up stories that will cause the most interest to cash in and beat their competitors.

Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival Ya, but its better than the presidential ass-kissing handed out by Fox News on a nightly basis. I used to pick the lesser of two evils and watch CNN, but i dont even watch news on t.v. anymore...it became redundant for me.

Yeah, it is pretty redunant; I just watch it mainly for the entertainment value nowadays.

Fox is a big Bush boot-kisser organization.  However, every country I am assuming, has its own propaganda machine that props up its leaders.  CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, and PBS on the other hand are by far the worst evils.  They are practically sister-stations of and extensions of al-Jazeera and act as the enemy's propaganda machine.  They and their "news" is directly opposed to the well-being and preservation of the USA as a country.  Their single monolithic focus is to smear Bush's image and to cause another Watergate and get another "big-bad" Republican presidency out of the White House.

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Originally posted by SearchAndDestroy Difference is the media doesn't it do it to show opinion, but instead to make money. After all, scandal sells. I think it's good though, because if there was no criticism this country would be mindless zombies, like much of the red states.    It's a joke, they aren't zombies.

Ha ha, yeah, it is good for the entertainment value. 

I can't stand idiots like Wolf Blitzer and Christiana Amanpour!  It is so apparent that their only motive is to portray the president in as negative of a light as possible.  They could care less about informing the public or just providing the news.  To them its all a big game and they try to "one-up" each other in their Bush-hating and America-hating editorials.