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    Posted: 29-Mar-2007 at 11:25
Originally posted by Mortaza

Ok maybe Turkey is not secular enought, but atleast its not sheriat either.
 
Funny, but there are a lot church comes from ottomans and their sheriat..  So, pls be more objective. 
 
Turkey is not enough sheriat even.
 
For me Turkey is not enought secular.(Yeap better than other muslims but could be better than this) 
 
Otherwise how could you explain ''Diyanet İşleri Başkanlığı''(Religious Affairs Ministry). The state pays Sunni imams salaries with our taxes, but same state does not doing anything for Alevis, Jews and Christians. İs that secularism?
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Ok maybe Turkey is not secular enought, but atleast its not sheriat either.
 
Funny, but there are a lot church comes from ottomans and their sheriat..  So, pls be more objective. 
 
Turkey is not enough sheriat even.
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and ın touristıc area for examples marmaris and fethiye lot of new church opened 
 
Offically, they are not churchs.

yes they are offiacally chuchs.
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To understand correctly, is it being suggested that Churches are not allowed to open in Turkey? or new churches are not allowed to be founded?
 
New churches.
 
and ın touristıc area for examples marmaris and fethiye lot of new church opened 
 
Offically, they are not churchs.
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and ın touristıc area for examples marmaris and fethiye lot of new church opened 
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Originally posted by karajoz

i lived in switzerland all my live
 
I think that explains your lack of knowledge about Turkey. And to those who try to understand Turkey through Karajoz's intellectual capacity: Turkey is a secular country, and she has proved this many times in the past. Always keep in mind that Turkey was the one that destroyed traditional Islamic political system, including Caliphate and the strongest medrassahs.
 
Just like the European working class that is Islamophobic, most of the Turkish mediveal agricultural class is Christianophobic, both of which are a shame, of course.
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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=308489

Churches in Turkey.some of old some new
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If I may say so... cool it just brings us back 350 years backward!
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To understand correctly, is it being suggested that Churches are not allowed to open in Turkey? or new churches are not allowed to be founded?
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Originally posted by karajoz

i just want to bring forward that the christian minority in turkey stabed us in the back once,so no one can missjudge if we are a bit sceptic about armenians and other christ in the modern state of turkey
 
 
just to remind,if someone doesent know the history of turkey.
the armenians killed turks and claimed our land,after they saw ottomans losing the war,they hoped of help with russia back then.
 
kurdish and turkish corps could defiet them afterwards succesfully.
 
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Originally posted by karajoz

 
 
 
its okey, i lived in switzerland all my live, turks cant open their own mosqus there either...so ... me personally... i dont want to see any churches in my country. this is turkey.
if you want go to a church go to greece or armenia...
 
Censored You are soo ignorant.
 
Ok maybe Turkey is not secular enought, but atleast its not sheriat either.
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Originally posted by karajoz

 
 
 
its okey, i lived in switzerland all my live, turks cant open their own mosqus there either...so ... me personally... i dont want to see any churches in my country. this is turkey.
if you want go to a church go to greece or armenia...
 
So you believe that only the majority of a certain religion in a country is allowed to worship? As far as I know, Turkey is a secular state... But a state that only allows one religion is not very secular at all, is it...
 
Many churches in Turkey are older than the mosques... Are you suggesting these ancient buildings should be torn down because you do not like christians? Dont know about Switzerland, but in many countries churches and mosques are allowed side by side. Even in muslim states like Pakistan churches are allowed freely... why should the secular state of Turkey not allow them?


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its okey, i lived in switzerland all my live, turks cant open their own mosqus there either...so ... me personally... i dont want to see any churches in my country. this is turkey.
if you want go to a church go to greece or armenia...
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They could not even burn a fire of their own if there is no Turks next to them :)
 
Be serious, they still cannot open their churchs.
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i just want to bring forward that the christian minority in turkey stabed us in the back once,so no one can missjudge if we are a bit sceptic about armenians and other christ in the modern state of turkey
 
 
just to remind,if someone doesent know the history of turkey.
the armenians killed turks and claimed our land,after they saw ottomans losing the war,they hoped of help with russia back then.
 
kurdish and turkish corps could defiet them afterwards succesfully.
 
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And dont forget Karamani 's guys. They were the Christian Turks of  Anatolia untill 1920s. All of them living in Greece now.
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We - the Kemalists - are afraid of minorities ?
 
They could not even burn a fire of their own if there is no Turks next to them :)
 
Ridiculous statement .
 
- Yes , Magyars and Finnish people are Christian Hunnic brothers of ours .
 
Finnic Tartars are still living in Finland .
Gagauz ( Gokoguz ) people still live in Moldovo - Romania .
And they are Christianized .
There are also Judaist Turks ,living next to Caspian Sea .
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You know what I find absurd? Secular people/kemalists are equally suspicious or afraid of Christian minorities/non-Muslims, as Islamists... it's a contradiction to their own beliefs.
 
Infact I find absurd that kemalist are more suspicious from christian minorities. Just compare akp and state(army and other state organizatıons). AKP is absolutely more liberal.
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many Yakuts are Orthodox Christians.  some Khakass and Altayans too, but not the extent like the Yakuts.
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