Hazara and Pan-Turk

Yes, the Yuechi Tocharinas were Indo-europeans, but not iranic. Hazaras was first time migrated to Afghanistan at the 12th century, and they are not the descendants of Kushans.

Hi Great Kushan,

Good to know that:-)

Well, Yue-Chihs were Caucaid. As far as I know, Yue-Chis were later called Tokharians. They're the so-called Iranian population of Central Asia.  And if Kushans are somehow related to them, if they're not their descendants, well then Hazaras, being Asiatic has got nothing to do with them.

Turk Shahi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turk_shahi

The Hinaya Buddhist tradition made envoys into Central Asia and some Turkic tribes converted to Buddhism, the Turk Shahi's adopted it as early as 3 century BCE.

http://c.myspace.com/Groups/00012/95/80/12450859_l.jpg

Firstly common mis-conceptions must be cleared up.

Originally posted by GhengisKhan Finally,arae Hazaras Turkic or not?

Edited by gok_toruk - 11-Nov-2006 at 04:48

Originally posted by Great Kushan To Omnashti, � Quote "I do not see any reason for the British to lie and make a fake tale about the time of the arrival of Hazara people in the region. The time of the arrival of Hazara people� does not seem to make any difference for the British�since they were already there for centuries when the British came." � Did you the Pashtun�King's money and weapon where come from,�who massacred 62% of Hazara population. from The British. Apart from that I have seen�almost all British journalists and historic books refering Hazaras to Genghis khan descendents. �

Great Kushan Thank you for your reply.
When I wrote�that I do not see any reason for the British to lie �or make a fake tale , I was trying to say that since there seems to be no�benefit �for the British to lie ,we cannot assume what they say to be a complete lie or propaganda. Does anybody know of any reason why it might�have �been of benefit for the British to have lied as to when the Hazara people arrived in that region?

From what we have discussed so far, it is clear that there are 3� theories or beliefs regarding the origin and the time of the arrival of Hazara people in that region.
1. They are� the descendants of the army of Genghiz-khan which marched�in to the area in the 12th century AD.

2. They�are the descendants of��Turkic peoples who migrated in to the area during the time of the expansion of Turkic peoples to the south and west which happened� in �the 6th�- 11th century AD.

3. They are the desendants of the kushani people who build the Kushani empire during the 1st� - 3rd century AD and who constructed the great buddhas in Bamyan.

In my opinion it is more likely to be the combination of the� theory 1 and� theory 2.�It is likely that �some Turkic peoples settled in that region some time between 6th and 11th century and then assimilated the remains of the Genghiz -khan s army in the 12th century, hence the common belief of Hazara people being the descendants of the Genghiz-khan .
I can see�where� theory �3 comes from. It is probabably because the great buddhas stand in Bamyan which� is inhabited by Hazara people now and is a part of �Hazarajat in modern time. It is natural for people to think that their ancestors built what stands where they live now.There are a�few reasons that I do not think the theory 3 is valid . First the Koshani people are known to have been a group of Indo-European people. Second they are known to have formed the basis of Pashton ethnogenesis alongside the Hephthalites. Guessing from those two reasons�it is quite safe to assume that the Koshani people were of caucasoid race, especially since this is�centuries �before the Turkic peoples expansion to the south and west.� I can see that some Hazara people show some caucasoid admixture, but in majority they�exhibit �much stronger if not pure mongoloid features.
(Please note that I am not using the words caucasoid and mongoloid in any racist terms. Race can be a great tool in order to know people s �history and origins if used properly.)
P.S These are� only my opinions and I am not pushing anything as an absolute fact.
    
    

Edited by omshanti - 29-Nov-2006 at 22:41

Originally posted by OSMANLI SelamAleykum, welcome Kushan brother to AE!   I think this was due to Islamic reasons and not due to the statues having Mongoliod faces.   P.S I like the picture below the best, so cute Originally posted by Great Kushan