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Topic: A world without alcohol Posted: 11-Dec-2013 at 21:58 |
Well it seems we have agreed about three times over the years! We might well have agreed more during the years of my imprisonment?
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Posted: 02-Dec-2013 at 09:27 |
Originally posted by opuslola
"...but in same time alcohol is renewable bio fuel,ecological safe."
But it is economically bad and if food is considered then a problem for the poor and underfed. A stupid use of food resources (corn, etc.) for a fuel source. And if it was not supported by government largess (read ready profit) then it would not exist. It is a "Fool's errand!"
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One of the rare times we agree.
I think that use of viable food crops to produce fuel is stupid, almost obscene. The price of corn products has tripled in the last 5 years. As long as there are hungry people, using food crops should be outlawed. Particularly when there are so many other sources of plant sugars that are now wasted.
Wood alcohol has been used for years as a fuel for heating and cooking, example-Sterno. In the US, thousands of tons of wood waste, sawdust, bark etc. are used for things such as mulch. Even
fall leaves could be used. The municipalities already collect them, to be composted.
More to the topic, a world without good "sipping whiskey" and fine cognac, would just be a world, not a civilization.
Using the experiment with Prohibition as an example, it wouldn't work anyhoo.
Edited by red clay - 02-Dec-2013 at 09:33
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Posted: 02-Dec-2013 at 06:20 |
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World without alcohol? No thanks, I'm gonna emigrate.....
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Posted: 30-Nov-2013 at 22:12 |
"...but in same time alcohol is renewable bio fuel,ecological safe."
But it is economically bad and if food is considered then a problem for the poor and underfed. A stupid use of food resources (corn, etc.) for a fuel source. And if it was not supported by government largess (read ready profit) then it would not exist. It is a "Fool's errand!"
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Posted: 29-Nov-2013 at 00:02 |
...but in same time alcohol is renewable bio fuel,ecological safe.
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Posted: 28-Nov-2013 at 17:57 |
I resurrect this thread since I feel that the late great AlaniDragon. as well as the DON, hit it on the head with their responses.
Indeed, alcohol made it possible to drink copious amounts of water with the need to first boil it. One must remember that many accounts of war mention the need to poison or destroy the fresh water supplies of ones enemy.
Beer and wine offered a very safe alternative to water that might well be deadly.
As regards Tea, it requires water to be boiled. Sorry Nick 1986.
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Posted: 11-Sep-2011 at 21:24 |
Perhaps wars would be fought over tea rather than oil? It has been drunk in China long before the birth of Christ
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Life is too painful, and people need painkiller from time to time so they numb themselves so they don't they blow their brains off; hence different ways for numbing had been invented. If there was no alcohol, there would be more drugs. Otherwise I have a personal grudge against alcohol, because my father and step-father were both alcoholics, and I know how painful is to watch someone you love so killing themselves slowly day by day until they turn into something very different from the original person. No matter how strong my grudge though, I understand that people need anastethic from time to time.
As for the vine and so weak alcohol, I agree with the Dragon - drinking water was not safe in most places before like 20 the century, and wine and beer were used as drink more that water; also vinegar was added to water in Rome at least, in order to disinfect water, and one cannot get vinegar without wine. Hildergard Von Bingen, a saint as she was, in her medicinal works mentions that water makes one weak, so one is to avoid it an imbibe more wine. Also distilled alcohol is heavily used in medicine, so humanity cannot do without it.
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Posted: 10-Sep-2011 at 04:03 |
Without Alcohol in the west a huge number of the people would have been dead. Water supply has been so poor in the past alcohol has been used as a safer alternative. In the east they had tea.
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Posted: 09-Sep-2011 at 20:57 |
Originally posted by Baal Melqart
I beg to differ, I never drink and I'm almost never stressed-out. But yeah, apply to every person on this planet and I guess you might be right. But what do you think would then be the most favourite 'chill-out' drink? Tea, coffee or maybe even opium tea?
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I believe that beer was invented right about the same time as BBQ. ![Big smile Big smile](http://www.allempires.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif) Probably by the same folks.
Some of the oldest sites from Celtic and pre Celtic Ireland have been identified as brew houses. Beer wasn't a recreational bev. back then, it was a dietary supplement. About 40% of their daily nutrition came from "beer".
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Posted: 21-Aug-2011 at 06:23 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
In this alternative history alcoholic beverages do not exist. While we remain on the same technological-level existing alcohol is uses solely for industrial and scientific purposes. Would the world be a better or worse place? What would people consume instead of alcohol? And what sort of society would we live in? |
Baccus will punish you for your words ![Big smile Big smile](smileys/smiley4.gif) In that world, people use more drugs than this one.
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Posted: 21-Aug-2011 at 05:34 |
I am not in alcohol fun club also but here use proverb:It is useless life without bottle of brandy and other man's wife!
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Posted: 21-Aug-2011 at 05:24 |
I beg to differ, I never drink and I'm almost never stressed-out. But yeah, apply to every person on this planet and I guess you might be right. But what do you think would then be the most favourite 'chill-out' drink? Tea, coffee or maybe even opium tea?
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Posted: 20-Aug-2011 at 21:48 |
The world would probably be a miserable, but safer, place. On the one hand it would be full of grouchy, stressed-out people, but on the other there would be fewer drunken brawls and accidents
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Spoken like a true Scotsman
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Posted: 20-Aug-2011 at 17:09 |
World without alcohol? No thanks, I'm gonna emigrate.....
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There is also a legend that the reason the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth was to make beer.
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So beer led to bread not visa versa, interesting.
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