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Topic: Melting Pot VS Cultural Mosaic Posted: 09-Nov-2014 at 06:35 |
Originally posted by pudu
Multiculturalism is unstable. Sooner or later will fail, and will be replaced by oppressive regimes that will look for uniformity. |
I agree.
Originally posted by pudu
Remember Al-Andalus.
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Can you open it? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also old Melting Pot Countries are changing. No one can say that now, great melting pot example USA is still same. It is more tolerated now, at least I am seeing like that from here. Similarly, Atatürk's Turkey was also great example of melting pot and it was succesfull on Albanians, Bosnians, Caucausian Muslims, Tatars, Lazs, Muslim Georgians, but it failed with Kurds so now my country is also turning to multi-culturalism. and with increasing globalization, no one also stay in stick melting pot position.
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Posted: 09-Nov-2014 at 05:39 |
Multiculturalism is unstable. Sooner or later will fail, and will be replaced by oppressive regimes that will look for uniformity. Remember Al-Andalus.
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Posted: 08-Nov-2014 at 23:58 |
Originally posted by Mountain Man
And where is the line between "multi-culturalism" and Balkanization?
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I don't support any idea, but I want to find a way, so your question is excellent. Can Multi-Culturalism enough for union of the country? Every country needs some thing to support own unification.
But Melting Pot? Should all minorites and immigrant/refugees forget their own languages?
For example, native languages what we do about in this issue?
Doesn't American Spanish speaking population grow? What will happen after Spanish speaking population be more then English speakers?
I have read a news about Greece. Goverment have said that Turks can't open a nursery school, the idea about this is a Turkish boy who goes there, can't adapted the primary school.
and I also have joined a conference about Armenians in Turkey, and Armenians complain about same issue.
so for me, there can be this type of minority nurseries but their one of the first priority, should be give two languages to children and help them to not face cultural shocks when they are in majority.
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Posted: 08-Nov-2014 at 13:58 |
And where is the line between "multi-culturalism" and Balkanization?
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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Posted: 08-Nov-2014 at 12:10 |
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
What brought you to
that conclusion, Ollios?
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I couldn't understand the connection with balance and far-right. If we divide the all words as good and bad, balance would be in good side, for me. but, it could be used by far right groups in USA.
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
What
I’m saying is, if cultural differences are visible, are they not already self-evident.
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I agree, cultural difference can't be stop. But, don't you think there is a problem?
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Posted: 08-Nov-2014 at 10:34 |
Originally posted by Ollios
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
To “provide the balance” is often the kind of emotive language the far-right
uses to force open an agenda of discrimination by placing a wedge between
groups of people by suggesting culpability on those not originally from that
area.
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I think there is cultural lack between
us. | What brought you to
that conclusion, Ollios?
Originally posted by Ollios
For me it sounds like it is coming from a kind of
pacifist Far East religion. |
Then as there must have been a reason
that you chose the three questions in the OP, I look forward to your knowledge
of the pacifist Far East religion’s take on the subject of your thread.
Originally posted by Ollios
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
Do you imagine people to be too stupid
to register cultural differences when they are offered, Ollios? What other
differences do you imagine need to be pointed out with the negative emotive
language you reference as strong language that would be beneficial across the
board?
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When you comparing two
things, if you use strong languages for one them. This means supporting one
side, but using for the both of them, I don't see any problem. | What
I’m saying is, if cultural differences are visible, are they not already self-evident.
Originally posted by Ollios
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
The "One Country! One Language! One Flag!" link
doesn’t actually show the origin of the term, or the name of the person who
first used it. Not exactly sure you could class it as left wing either.
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Actually, this not a link, soory for that, I had
heard it, but I wasn't sure so I searched on net and just copied
I am suprised, you are asking the origion of the
term. I didn’t actually ask the origin of the term, Ollios, I
simply questioned the authenticity of the link I clicked on on your comment. The
origin is from a precursor to the American pledge of allegiance, created by a
General George Thacher Balch, in order to help the children of immigrants integrate
with those around them, and gain a sense of patriotism.
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This is a good historical image about melting
pot
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What can I say, political satire in the
style of the day.
Edited by TheAlaniDragonRising - 08-Nov-2014 at 10:41
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What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture.
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Posted: 07-Nov-2014 at 05:09 |
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
To “provide the balance”
is often the kind of emotive language the far-right uses to force open an
agenda of discrimination by placing a wedge between groups of people by
suggesting culpability on those not originally from that area. |
I think there is cultural lack between us.
For me it sounds like it is coming from a kind of pacifist Far East religion.
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
Do you imagine people to
be too stupid to register cultural differences when they are offered, Ollios?
What other differences do you imagine need to be pointed out with the negative
emotive language you reference as strong language that would be beneficial across
the board? | When you comparing two things, if you use strong languages for one them. This means supporting one side, but using for the both of them, I don't see any problem.
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
Do you imagine people to
be too stupid...
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Is this your writing style, for you just want to show me negative emotive language?
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
The second question
instigated without a legitimate prompt is the rhetoric of right wing
nationalism, although I can see where you’re coming from with your belief that
it’s left wing, when used to answer allegations of a lack of commitment to integrate
into communities. |
Actually, I hate using political terms to define myself, so I won't confirm your statement about my belief.
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
The "One Country! One
Language! One Flag!" link doesn’t actually show the origin of
the term, or the name of the person who first used it. Not exactly sure you
could class it as left wing either.
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Actually, this not a link, soory for that, I had heard it, but I wasn't sure so I searched on net and just copied
I am suprised, you are asking the origion of the term. .
You can be sure because, left thinks that it is assimilation and wrong, not coming from left
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This is a good historical image about melting pot
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Posted: 06-Nov-2014 at 22:11 |
Originally posted by Ollios
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
There is no real difference between melting pot and
multiculturalism. |
???
Interenet
is full with their difference.
so can
you be more clear? | Maybe better, Ollios, if go ahead and explain
your take on the differences you see, as it was your OP, and then we can look
to see if they hold any water. Hopefully things will be made clear for you
then.
Originally posted by Ollios
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
Where are you coming from with
these three questions, "How we provide the balance?", "Is
melting pot some kind of assimilation which is crime against humanity ?",
and "Is multi-culturalism a failed way?", Ollios? Generally,
Ollios, these are in the divisive language style associated with the nastier
side of far-right politics, used to highlight differences in order to
poison the mind, instead of the common ground we all share.
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I
don't see a problem with balance? What is the problem with them?
but
about other questions,
The
reason of using strong language like that is to show the difference between
them. (I believe they are different)
Actually
first one is belongs to far-left and second is far-right.
One of
the famous melting pot idiom
"One
Country! One Language! One Flag!"
but
this sounds a little bit assimilation. (also this is left perspective)
Multi-Culturalism
is also criticized
by nationalistic people and far-right. |
To “provide the balance”
is often the kind of emotive language the far-right uses to force open an
agenda of discrimination by placing a wedge between groups of people by
suggesting culpability on those not originally from that area.
Do you imagine people to
be too stupid to register cultural differences when they are offered, Ollios?
What other differences do you imagine need to be pointed out with the negative
emotive language you reference as strong language that would be beneficial across
the board?
The second question
instigated without a legitimate prompt is the rhetoric of right wing
nationalism, although I can see where you’re coming from with your belief that
it’s left wing, when used to answer allegations of a lack of commitment to integrate
into communities.
The "One Country! One
Language! One Flag!" link doesn’t actually show the origin of
the term, or the name of the person who first used it. Not exactly sure you
could class it as left wing either.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2014 at 06:26 |
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
There is no real difference between melting pot and multiculturalism. |
??? Interenet is full with their difference. so can you be more clear?
Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising
Where are you coming from with these three questions, "How we provide the balance?", "Is melting pot some kind of assimilation which is crime against humanity ?", and "Is multi-culturalism a failed way?", Ollios? Generally, Ollios, these are in the divisive language style associated with the nastier side of far-right politics, used to highlight differences in order to poison the mind, instead of the common ground we all share. |
I don't see a problem with balance? What is the problem with them? but about other questions, The reason of using strong language like that is to show the difference between them. (I believe they are different) Actually first one is belongs to far-left and second is far-right. One of the famous melting pot idiom "One Country! One Language! One Flag!"but this sounds a little bit assimilation. (also this is left perspective) Multi-Culturalism is also criticized by nationalistic people and far-right
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Posted: 04-Nov-2014 at 23:59 |
There is no real difference between melting pot and multiculturalism.
Where are you coming from with these three questions, "How we provide the balance?", "Is melting pot some kind of assimilation which is crime against humanity ?", and "Is multi-culturalism a failed way?", Ollios? Generally, Ollios, these are in the divisive language style associated with the nastier side of far-right politics, used to highlight differences in order to poison the mind, instead of the common ground we all share.
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Posted: 04-Nov-2014 at 10:28 |
Actually issue is minorities After French Revolution, not just idea of freedom spreaded also nationalism found a way for spreading. But now I guess, Multiculturism become popular and legal and illegal immigrant is rising so How we provide the blance? Is melting pot some kind of assimilation which is crime against humanity ? or Is multi-culturalism a failed way? I think these photoes are very good to summarize the topic. Both are about USA but right is multiculturaism way, left is melting pot way.
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