Can Arabs and Turks Unite?

Arabs hope not only to create an islamic world but also an arabian identity for all people in this hearth

Originally posted by Bar�� Well, you can criticize something you respect. And Turkish Republic is based on Atat�rk's ideas. .

Let us get real. In our region, including my country and your country, there are consequences for insulting the "great founder"! as if he was a prophet or something.

In Turkey: Article 8 of the Anti-Terror Law, Article 142, dissemination of separatist propaganda, the Law to Protect Ataturk, No. 5816, discrediting Turkey's image abroad, and insulting the Turkish General National Assembly, the government, the ministries, and the state security forces. >>> all punished by prisons and fines. How can I then criticize Ataturk as a Turkish citizen?

and Islam respect all the elements of the 6 arrows, except Secularism. It contradicts with islam for sure. That topic was already discussed. No need to go over it again.

Originally posted by Bar�� I think, any Turk who says that Turks and Arabs should unite under one Islamic State is a traitor to Republic of Turkey. This is my opinion. .

I know it is your opinion, yet, naming them traitors is not far from what Nazis did. Just propose anything different and you are a traitor!> deserve to be presecuted & even executed!!

Originally posted by Bar�� Every Turk must respect Atat�rk and his ideas, since he is the savior and the founder of our republic. All the above is my opinion. I don't think suggesting Islamic unification is considered to be treason here.

I think that is little too much. Almost fanatic. No wonder there are laws of imprisoning who critize him. Well, yes everbody needs to respect Ataturk the "savior" of turkey, however, that has nothing to do with the right to criticize him or the right to talk about unification. Unless Ataturk's enemies are your enemies and nothing change. Then why is turkey a friend of UK now? Didn't they fight each others? 

Originally posted by Bar�� I think, any Turk who says that Turks and Arabs should unite under one Islamic State is a traitor to Republic of Turkey..

Originally posted by Bar�� All the above is my opinion. I don't think suggesting Islamic unification is considered to be treason here.

You are contradicting yourself again.

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Originally posted by Bar�� I think, any Turk who says that Turks and Arabs should unite under one Islamic State is a traitor to Republic of Turkey.

You mean actually a traitor to Kemal Atat�rk. Unless he owns the republic too.

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I think, any Turk who says that Turks and Arabs should unite under one Islamic State is a traitor to Republic of Turkey.

I have nothing against Arabs or Islam, of course; but I just want to say that Arabs are Arabs and Turks are Turks. We are different. Religion is the only similarity (not always though, there are christian/atheist Arabs/Turks), and it is not enough for uniting.

And even if we really wanted to do so, we would fail, I won't bother listing the reasons...

Maybe it is better if the moderator closed the topic. It went in all directions and came back

  I think we consumed its time and it does nothing but allow to new starter to jump in and criticize what we have already discussed earlier.

Originally posted by Saka I do not contest that Islam still predominant force in Turkey, I never said Turks are aryans  BUT you can not forget the pre-arabian(Islamic) dominiation in Anatolia/Turkey! Arabs and Turkish can not be unit just for religious pretex. I mean Turks have lots of great heritage and they don t have to forget it . Mongolians, Hittites, Persians... influenced Turkey in many cultural aspect, and I do not think that Turks wish to be arab.Anyway they pretend to be european.

We never where or did want "wannabe", we always want be ourselfs, but to come on topic ill should say these times are the hardest times for the Muslim community, maybe later.

Originally posted by Saka Islam is just a little part of Turkish history. Firstly Turks were Hittites, an indi-european(aryan) tribes in anatolia. Then Turks were part of the Persian empire, Then Mongolians Then Arabian(Islam), Then Ottoman. Turks have a pretty old mixt civilizations Arabians have just an Islamic history and nothing before.

You definitely confuses stuff. First, Turks are not indo-Europeans. Second, so if a turk mixed with a Hittities it is one of their civilization, but if an Arab mixed with a Babylonians is not part of his structure?

Let me correct your History, as Turks mixed with other races, Islam still the predominant force. Same thing for Arabs and in fact, many other greater civilizations had their people intermarriages with Arabs. From the Sassanides to Babylonians, to the Coptic Egyptions, the Tunisian Carthaganes to some of the Romanized peopulation of North Africa and the greater Syria...etc

dunno but you confuse some stuff i guess,

ever heard of abbasids and umayyads?

Originally posted by AttilaGreywolf I think this is the silliest question...

Not really a silly question. and if it was the silliest one, why did you bother yourself answering?