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    Posted: 05-Nov-2004 at 22:28

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Never take anything those fools say seriously again. Ever. I mean it. If you do, I'll somehow reach through my monitor and smack you, though the chances of us being on at the same time are slim.

We can also add "Stereotypical" and "Racist" to the list for them, as well, concerning the German remark.


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Hehe me and a friend were playing what we dubbed the "Country game" where each person takes turns naming a different country until a person can't think of a natin and is therefore eliminated.  Well we were playing and after a while my friend started running out of nations.  He sat there concentrating with all his might trying to come up with a different country when he suddenly yelled out South America with conviction...needless to say I had a good laugh.
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  Quote Herodotus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2004 at 22:07

Well, I'm American....this discussion, however, does not offend me...its quite true

It almost made me cry yesterday when a fellow student tried to tell me that the slavic bosians who were part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire wanted to join with the other balkan slavs and ally with SIBERIA...not serbia....this person was quite convinced...

About a year ago there was a poll on one of the major news networks, cnn i think, where they asked americans random geogrpahy questions. Around 30% could locate the last survivor show location on a world map, but only 12% could locate the U.S. This whole business makes me ill...to undertsnad history, news, or the weather you need to know geograhy. Personlly, i think U.S schools put too much emphasis on reading and math,; they neglect history, geography and langauge.

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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Oct-2004 at 23:37

Tobodai, are you in Ethiopia?

No he's not, we just like to pretend we live in far off lands like I currently dwell with my Suedwester cousins.

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Tobodai, are you in Ethiopia? And btw, China includes both PRC and ROC. I agree with you that ROC is now trying to fill up the history with propaganda.

Then again, who's history isn't filled with propaganda? Its only when you go to college level history do you have the taste of the real thing. You are forced to do your own research. You get credit for using more than 10 sources and more if you can use sources of different languages etc.

Seriously, I think the people in the US need to take better geography courses. But then again, I went to school in Singapore where they forced us to take really hard Geography classes and the people still came out pretty ignorant. What do you think? I think it has more to do with interest. You tend to know more about geography and history if you're on this forum.



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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2004 at 19:05
your the one that got off tpoic you hot head, I was citing China as an example not as a topic for your discussion, the thread is off topic because of you, as usual.
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  Quote babyblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2004 at 07:21
Originally posted by Tobodai

 

oh cmon, we all know China and Japan are known for faking history.  China bans historially correct computer games because it doesnt fit with their orwellian vision of the world, this is common fact, and has been disussed on these forums before.

       come on what? you mean that china lies about everything it teaches to it's students and chinese textbooks are all made up? i'd admitt that a chinese text book on the mainland is very biased towards the CCP....for example it exagerates what little effort the CCP made in fighting the japanese invaders and say the the KMT are more like passive resisters. but hiding the truth aren't exactly lying is it? much like that politically correct computer game that u mentioned. banning it from comming into the market aren't really what i'd call lying...that's just the communist censorship doing it's work...and what did you mean by "we all know"?

       BTW this is way off topic....i won't reply you anymore on this matter



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  Quote Yiannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2004 at 03:52
Originally posted by Scytho-Sarmatian

I just read an article in the Opinion section of the L.A. Times were the writer said something to the effect that Europeans refer to any American who does not kiss their behinds as "arrogant."

 

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  Quote Scytho-Sarmatian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2004 at 03:39

Interesting thread.

I just read an article in the Opinion section of the L.A. Times were the writer said something to the effect that Europeans refer to any American who does not kiss their behinds as "arrogant."

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  Quote Gubook Janggoon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Oct-2004 at 18:24
Originally posted by JanusRook

Thats what im talking about. When i was in primary school the teacher of geography demanded from us, 10 or 12 years old children to learn all the names of the European, American and Asian countries (i dunno why but he neglected Africa), the names of their capital cities and expected that we will be able to show them quickly on the map. We were even supposed to know what is capital city of Lichtenstein. In the USA they dont learn geography?

Actually in High School I took a pretty extensive geography course, where we had to do the exact same thing you did Mosquito, except we did learn africa. Of course, you could easily discredit the course since one time I did have to correct the teacher when he said the four main islands of japan were Shikoku, Kyushu, Honshu and Sapporo.



I took such classes in Jr. High...damn it was a pain.  In 7th grade they would give us the maps and we would have to label countries and capitals.  Then in 8th grade, we were required to draw the contients w/ their countries and capitals....
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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Oct-2004 at 17:08

Thats what im talking about. When i was in primary school the teacher of geography demanded from us, 10 or 12 years old children to learn all the names of the European, American and Asian countries (i dunno why but he neglected Africa), the names of their capital cities and expected that we will be able to show them quickly on the map. We were even supposed to know what is capital city of Lichtenstein. In the USA they dont learn geography?

Actually in High School I took a pretty extensive geography course, where we had to do the exact same thing you did Mosquito, except we did learn africa. Of course, you could easily discredit the course since one time I did have to correct the teacher when he said the four main islands of japan were Shikoku, Kyushu, Honshu and Sapporo.

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  Quote Cornellia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Oct-2004 at 09:00

I think you would find the same thing true when you ask most educated people about the United States as well.   I've read some pretty bizarre statements about America in more than a few forums, including even this one.

Kubrat makes an excellent point.  The United States is huge and though we have a shared history, each area also has a very rich local history. 

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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Oct-2004 at 07:06

I would like to stress that i dont talk here about people who earn monay cleaning windows or floors, driving taxi or about people who are farmers and spent their life on harvests. They are all similar all over the world.

I talk here about educated Americans, people who are teachers, doctors, lawyers, engeeners, etc. etc.

How it is possible that so many of them, after investing so much monay in their education (at least in the USA education is pretty expensive) are so limited or even ignorant?

Iv heard one different theory, that education in the USA is so specialised, that people becomes great specialists only in 1 thing and complete ignorants in everything else (altough such explanation is beyound my understanding).

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I think the average intelligence level of people in the US has declined over time, as my former physics teacher has told me. But I think this is just part of a bigger picture of the intellectual divide that is coming. The elites have become more elite. One thing to look at is that the standards of the students going into the best universities in the US have increased dramatically.

In regards to the original question, it is because the average person has no use for the information other than school. In Europe, there is the traditional culture, and each culture has a lot of connections with another. This is not so in the US in that sense. You don't need to understand anything about history in order to understand the culture in the US.
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  Quote Kubrat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Oct-2004 at 22:59
That's really... really... sad.

Maybe the reason is that there are about 300 million people living in the USA, and most have access to a computer and the internet.  So you're going to get all kinds of people on the net from the United States, not just the intelligent ones.  In Europe, who else but the intelligent ones are going to waste their time and money on discussing these things?  (Not that intelligent Europeans discuss stupid topics like that).
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Originally posted by Jalisco Lancer

Most of the americans believes that the mexican independence day is May 05th, that we all mexicans eats burritos, and even once the brother of my former boss ( american BTW ) was amazed because Mexico had Federal States as the US. He was under the idea that Mexico was a single entity as a country. Hes a school teacher in California.

Thats what i mean. Even so called educated people are completelly ignorant.

 

Originally posted by Jalisco Lancer

I bet you that most of the americans can not list more than 5 Latin American countries different than Mexico, Colombia, Brazil , Argentina and Cuba ( probably Nicaragua or El Salvador ).

Thats what im talking about. When i was in primary school the teacher of geography demanded from us, 10 or 12 years old children to learn all the names of the European, American and Asian countries (i dunno why but he neglected Africa), the names of their capital cities and expected that we will be able to show them quickly on the map. We were even supposed to know what is capital city of Lichtenstein. In the USA they dont learn geography?

Our good US friends on the forums ( Catt, Cornelia, Vagabond, Janus, Genghis, Tobodei, Battle Glory and many others ) are a probe that there are informed and educated people in the US.

Affcourse i was able to recognise it and i do respect them and value their opinions.

It is not that they dont have a quality education, seems to me that the average american just dont care about what happens in the world. The only contact that they have is CNN.

Dont you think that it is very easy to manipulate society which takes most of its info about the world from TV?

  

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  Quote Jalisco Lancer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Oct-2004 at 20:43

 

  Hi Mosquito:

  If you believe that the americans knowlegde about Europe is limited, then you have to make a poll between americans about Mexico.

  Most of the americans believes that the mexican independence day is May 05th, that we all mexicans eats burritos, and even once the brother of my former boss ( american BTW ) was amazed because Mexico had Federal States as the US. He was under the idea that Mexico was a single entity as a country. Hes a school teacher in California.

  I bet you that most of the americans can not list more than 5 Latin American countries different than Mexico, Colombia, Brazil , Argentina and Cuba ( probably Nicaragua or El Salvador ).

   I want to point out by the other hand that the iliteracy is universal. Our good US friends on the forums ( Catt, Cornelia, Vagabond, Janus, Genghis, Tobodei, Battle Glory and many others ) are a probe that there are informed and educated people in the US.

   In the case of the USA, I believe that is part of their cultural isolation.

   It is true that the USA was born by the inmigrants , but it was not multicultural or tolerant at the very first beginning.  

    It is not that they dont have a quality education, seems to me that the average american just dont care about what happens in the world. The only contact that they have is CNN.

    Just a thought.

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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Oct-2004 at 20:08
Originally posted by babyblue

Originally posted by Tobodai

lol, but you will find stupid people anywhere.  True for a developed nation teh US has trouble looking outside its borders, but its a hella lot better than what youll find in many places int eh world.  For example, the convuluted and propogandaistic history teachings of China and Japan.

          what does china got to do with this? have you been through highschool in china? i haven't...so i can't make any comments...

         in your view, are young chinese very ignorant of the outside world?

 

oh cmon, we all know China and Japan are known for faking history.  China bans historially correct computer games because it doesnt fit with their orwellian vision of the world, this is common fact, and has been disussed on these forums before.

As for Americans being ignorant, they just know they are powerfull, and thus it breeds arrogance, and arrogance leads to really not caring about others who are regarded in the subconcious, as inferior. 

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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Oct-2004 at 11:37

It's not so much that American's know so little about Europe.

It's that they know less about the US, it's politics and history than Europeans. Now that's worrying...

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  Quote I/eye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Oct-2004 at 10:54

So can someone explain how it is possible that so many Americans are so stupid ( i wont look for more polite words).

if you're strong and rich, you don't need to know others, the others need to know you

i.e. some time ago, the French don't know German, the Germans don't know French, but the Dutch know both(relatively)

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