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Topic: Why was the Parthenon not one of the 7 wonders ? Posted: 11-Jul-2006 at 07:28 |
I can not understand why the Parthenon 432 BC was not made one of the
7 wonders of the world.
1) It was certaily older than many of them.
2) It was an architectually more important than many of them.
3) It was more expensive than many of them.
( so expensive it lead to a war )
Anybody got any ideas, why it would have been discriminated against ?
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Posted: 11-Jul-2006 at 07:57 |
As I know the final list was compiled during the Middle Age.The initial list destroyed was made from Callimachus of Cyrene (305BC-240BC).Was the so called Chief Librarian of the Alexandria Museum, and wrote "A Collection of Wonders around the World". All we know about the collection is its title, for it was destroyed with the Alexandria Library in the known fire.So maybe was Parthenon included it in that list.
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Posted: 12-Jul-2006 at 13:14 |
( so expensive it lead to a war ) |
Which war do you have in mind?
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Posted: 12-Jul-2006 at 13:40 |
The Peloponesian war, with the Spartans.
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Posted: 12-Jul-2006 at 13:44 |
That's an odd conclusion, I don't see the connection.
Too expand a bit:
The key underlying cause of the war: Spartan jealousy of Athens and her empire/league.
The proximate causes of the war: Substantial miscalculations on the part of Pericles: First, the
apparent belief that a Corinthian victory over Corcyra would reduce or threaten Athenian
naval superiority. Secondly underestimating the latent hostility to Athens at Sparta.
And finally Spartas
decision to dictated terms for avoiding war, in violation of the 30 years
peace.
I just dont see where you can insert the cost of the Parthenon.
Edited by conon394 - 12-Jul-2006 at 14:08
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Posted: 12-Jul-2006 at 14:18 |
hmm i never really thought of it much, since Greeks basically occupy 5 out of the 7 wonders anyway, and the colussium isnt on it, so no Roman haha. its all egypt, babylon, greek. im not complaining at all.
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Posted: 12-Jul-2006 at 14:26 |
yeah, but the collosseum is actually still standing...
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Posted: 19-Jul-2006 at 07:22 |
Apparently the sculptor of the Statue of Zeus, Phidias, was the same
sculptor for the external friezes, and figures of the Parthenon.
Remnants of which are the Elgin Marbles, in the London museum.
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Posted: 19-Jul-2006 at 17:57 |
If I'm not mistaken, the list of 7 wonders was to serve as a "travel guide" for Athenians, i.e. great places that it was worthy for Athenians to visit. That's why the Parthenon was not in the list; it was in Athens.
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Posted: 20-Jul-2006 at 05:37 |
^^ haha
It's not on the list because the Parthenon is on a league of it's own. a "wonder" of "wonders".. so to speak incomparable to all the others... me thinks..
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Posted: 20-Jul-2006 at 06:13 |
Parthenon is certainly impressive, but I doubt its in anyway better then say the Pyramids. Or the hanging gardens of Babylon.
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Posted: 20-Jul-2006 at 08:14 |
Sparten, I think that if all the 7 wonders of the world, and the
Parthenon, existed today, in pristine condition, then the Parthenon would
without question be the most impressive in terms of beauty, and architecture.
The amount of architectural thought, and effort that went into it, combined
with its wonderful location, makes it completely unique.
The Parthenon is the flagship of classic Greek architecture, which has been
copied by many of the great buildings, of all the big cities, in the world today.
Nobody really knows what the hanging gardens of Babylon looked like
with any certainty.
The great pyramid is colossal structure, but perhaps not a beautiful structure.
Whereas the Parthenon is singularly impressive for its beauty.
Edited by Romanus Maximus - 20-Jul-2006 at 08:15
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Posted: 20-Jul-2006 at 10:53 |
Hey, you are preaching to the converted here. I visited the Parthenon last year and was awed by it as much as anybody.
The Pyramids are a wonder since they have been around for about 5000 years, they were as old as the Parthenon is now when the later was built.
And originally they would have been an amazing sight. They were covered in marble.
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Posted: 20-Jul-2006 at 11:32 |
Sparten, I agree with you.
I am not saying the great pyramid is not impressive.
I have not seen it.
But judging by what I have read, and also the proportions of it
( it was the tallest building in the world until the Eiffel tower was built at
the end of the 20th Century )
You would have to be stupid not to be impressed by it.
But I think the Parthenon must be one of the most beautiful buildings ever
built.
Even though I am against the modern restoration of ancient buildings, I
would love to see it completely restored. It would be incredible.
Edited by Romanus Maximus - 20-Jul-2006 at 11:42
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Posted: 20-Jul-2006 at 11:43 |
The Temple of Artemis, one of the original seven wonders, was larger than Parthenon and was also of Greek Architecture. If it were still standing, it could be greater than the Parthenon, although the exact appearance is only speculative. One imaginateion of the temple: http://www.billmunnsgallery.com/images/SWGTDE3.jpg
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Posted: 21-Jul-2006 at 03:50 |
Imperator, yes I also agree that the Temple of Artemis, must have been
very impressive, and beautiful.
But I still think the Parthenon was the greater.
The Parthenon had magnificent freizes, and sculptures that adorned the
exterior. And the proportioning of every aspect of the building followed a
set of precise architectural rules, which led to a perfectly proportioned
building.
Edited by Romanus Maximus - 21-Jul-2006 at 03:50
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Posted: 21-Jul-2006 at 07:47 |
Originally posted by Romanus Maximus
Sparten, I agree with you.
I am not saying the great pyramid is not impressive.
I have not seen it.
But judging by what I have read, and also the proportions of it
( it was the tallest building in the world until the Eiffel tower was built at
the end of the 20th Century )
You would have to be stupid not to be impressed by it.
But I think the Parthenon must be one of the most beautiful buildings ever
built.
Even though I am against the modern restoration of ancient buildings, I
would love to see it completely restored. It would be incredible.
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Basically the Parthenon survived thousands of years suffering from earthquakes and time. However in the 19th centrury, when the turkish forces of Athens were surrounded by various allied forces a mistake fired a cannonball that hit the firepowder stored inside the parthenon. What you see today is the result of that explosion. It will probably take more than half a millenium to restore it and when it is done it won't even be close to its original view. :(
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Posted: 21-Jul-2006 at 11:05 |
That was in the 17th century, and by the Venetians IIRC.
Also the Parthenon had a very utilarian purpose.
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Posted: 21-Jul-2006 at 13:58 |
Imperator, yes I also agree that the Temple of Artemis, must have been
very impressive, and beautiful.
But I still think the Parthenon was the greater.
The Parthenon had magnificent freizes, and sculptures that adorned the
exterior. And the proportioning of every aspect of the building followed a
set of precise architectural rules, which led to a perfectly proportioned
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Nobody today can judge whether the Parthenon was greater in appearance than the Temple of Artemis, which was built after the Parthenon and must have incorporated all of the latest architectural techniques.
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Posted: 21-Jul-2006 at 14:30 |
Originally posted by Imperator Invictus
Imperator, yes I also agree that the Temple of Artemis, must have been
very impressive, and beautiful.
But I still think the Parthenon was the greater.
The Parthenon had magnificent freizes, and sculptures that adorned the
exterior. And the proportioning of every aspect of the building followed a
set of precise architectural rules, which led to a perfectly proportioned
building. |
Nobody today can judge whether the Parthenon was greater in appearance than the Temple of Artemis, which was built after the Parthenon and must have incorporated all of the latest architectural techniques.
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That was actually an amazing point!
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