History of the Devil

Many Christians when looking back on their hilarious bastardization of history attempted to come up with devil figures in other peoples mythologies.  One of them, Set is my avatar.  Indeed, Set symbolizes everything a CHristian would hate, individualistic, sexually free, a sower of choas (and innovation), and good king who was unorthodox, etc.  Anansi, the african trickster diety was also viewed as a devil despite having no paralells.

I want to go to the point of where someone beleives that God and the devil are one. That is more of an "eastern" way of thinking like buddhism or Hinduism. In most eastern religions they see everything interconnected. That everything is one and such. In the western religion however there are "always" two opposites. That is how most westerners grow up in thinking. Two opposites for everything at least in religion. There is a god, there is a devil. THere is good, and there is evil. There is right, and there is wrong. That is just how most westeners think.

(i remember this in my 9th grade class so i dont remember all the terms for this. sorry for being a little foggy!)

I was reading through the biography of Malcom-X and it is interesting that when he was living the life of anarchy and in darkness by his own admission, he used to be nick named satan and was proud to be called satan.

Originally posted by Ponce de Leon     In western society we believe in two things. Good and Evil.

Originally posted by arch.buff Well, actually the Devil doesnt command Hell, hes here on Earth trying to take as many souls with him to Hell when�his time comes. At least from a christian standpoint.

    
According to the Book of Revelation, this isn't the case. The Devil is still in heaven and will be cast out right before the end of the "world" to rule over man.

But people have different takes on it.

The devil went down to Georgia
He was lookin' for a soul to steal
He was in a bind
'Cause he was way behind
And he was willin' to make a deal

When he came across this young man
Sawin' on a fiddle and playin' it hot
And the devil jumped up on a hickory stump
And said boy let me tell you what

I guess you didn't know it
but I'm a fiddle player too
And if you care to take a dare I'll make a bet with you

Now you play a pretty good fiddle, boy
But give the devil his due
I'll bet a fiddle of gold
Against your soul
'Cause I think I'm better than you

The boy said my name's Johnny
And it might be a sin
But I'll take your bet
And you're gonna regret
'Cause I'm the best there's ever been

Johnny rosin up your bow and play your fiddle hard
Cause hell's broke loose in Georgia and the devil deals the cards
And if you win you get this shiny fiddle made of gold
But if you lose the devil gets your soul.

The devil opened up his case
And he said I'll start this show
And fire flew from his fingertips
As he rosined up his bow

Then he pulled the bow across the strings
And it made an [sic] evil hiss
And a band of demons joined in
And it sounded something like this

[Instrumental]

When the devil finished
Johnny said well you're pretty good old son
But just sit down in that chair right there
And let me show you how it's done

He played Fire on the Mountain
Run boys, run
The devil's in the House of the Rising Sun
Chicken in a bread pan picken' at dough
Granny does your dog bite
No child, no

[Instrumental]

The devil bowed his head
Because he knew that he'd been beat
And he laid that golden fiddle
On the ground at Johnny's feet

Johnny said, Devil just come on back
If you ever wanna try again
I done told you once you son of a bitch
I'm the best there's ever been

 :)

The devil has existed since man began doing stupid things, and needed something or someone to blame.

ok, God did create everything, but He did not creat evil. this is why. Sin, is evil, and sin is of the devil, he tempted adam and eve to sin. sin, is going against what God's will, what God says is right. Basically sin is disobeying God. now, God said, do not eat of the tree of good and evil. but, man did, thus giving birth to sin. because we disobeyed God. so, out of free will, we gave birth to sin. also, satan(Lucifer) did not make a bet with God, he wanted all power and was cast into not hell, but the 2nd heavan, which is the earth, because the world was perfect, there was no evil, thus the 2nd heavan. and if satan is tempting Gods perfect creation to do somthing against God, is not Satan going against God's will by suggesting such a thing??    

Originally posted by Shiroyeh Angra Mainyu or later called Ahriman is the first mention of the concept of the devil in any religious text and it later influenced other major world religions imo This once came to me in a dream late at night that made me wake up... i wrote it down and I read it in the morning it said: 'If there is no God, there is no ultimate good. With no ultimate good their is no good nor is there evil.' It must have been a hectic dream :S

It is not the first case. In Indian religion, Gods & Demons both have been mentioned much earlier than that.

Originally posted by Arthur-Robin People firstly have to stop approaching this from a evolution is prooven view, people do this with monotheism topic too: people are already biased by assuming that monotheism/devil d/evolved. What if Judaeo-Xtianity is true? that would considerably change the picture.

Edited by Odin - 12-Sep-2006 at 16:26