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Topic: wut doez Aryan mean? Posted: 08-Mar-2005 at 13:57 |
wut doez the word Aryan mean?
I thought it means noble king but sum ppl say it meanz noble
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Thegeneral
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Posted: 08-Mar-2005 at 17:37 |
Well, it origanlly meant an Ido-Iranian or one who speaks an Inod-Iranian language. It is no longer used for that meaning though. It is most commonly know as the ideal Nazi; blond heard, blue eyes,of Nordic decent, and of course being non-Jewish.
But when you say you heard it meant a noble you were partially correct. When the word was used to describe the Indo-Iranians it also meant a member of the upper class sociecty in the Iran/Afgahnistan social system. But when the word came to Europe in the 1830's a German shifted the meaning to be translated into the words Ehre, meaning "honor" and the word "arya" which was the name of a famous Swiss warrior. The meaning was thought to have been what the Ido-Europeans called themselves. The word Ayran became know as "the honorable people".
Hope that helps!
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Posted: 09-Mar-2005 at 01:00 |
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/A/Ar/Aryan.htm
[quote]Aryan is an English word derived from the Vedic Sanskrit and Avestan term arya, meaning noble.
Etymology and Semantics *aryo- Indo-Iranian *arya-) is an adjective to the PIE root *ar-, originally meaning 'to assemble', possibly with positive overtones of "accomplished, skillful". *aryo- as the name of a people, the "Aryans", is only attested in India and Persia, but the root is well known from other languages in the Indo-European world, e.g. the aristoi, the "most noble," of Greece, and possibly ire, a native name of Ireland (although this is not commonly accepted). The original meaning of the root, pertaining to skillful assembly, union, confederacy, may be perceived, for example in Latin ars "art" and ordo "order" or in Greek harma "chariot".
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Posted: 10-Mar-2005 at 15:45 |
so wut doez iran mean? the land of the aryans(nobles) or (noble kings)?......
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Posted: 10-Mar-2005 at 17:29 |
Originaly Aryians could mean highlanders (Ar-arat, Ar-menia, and so on).
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Posted: 11-Mar-2005 at 03:45 |
My Persian disctionary says "Arya" means "Friend & Loyal".
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Posted: 11-Mar-2005 at 15:05 |
Well I jsut typed in Aryan at dictionary.com and it came with that definition. i suppose it could be different though, or wrong.
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Posted: 12-Mar-2005 at 23:32 |
Originally posted by persianryda
so wut doez iran mean? the land of the aryans(nobles) or (noble kings)?...... |
Iran means land or Aryans
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Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 02:13 |
Since we do know that "Iran" and its ancient Greek equivalent "Ariana" comes from "Airyanem", and since we also know that "Arya" was used as an ethnic and linguistic designation, (i.e. Darius said that he wrote "in Aryan", and Kanishka also said that he wrote "in Aryan"), Iran meant "Land of the Aryans".
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Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 03:13 |
Originally posted by Sharrukin
Since we do know that "Iran" and its ancient Greek equivalent "Ariana" comes from "Airyanem", and since we also know that "Arya" was used as an ethnic and linguistic designation, (i.e. Darius said that he wrote "in Aryan", and Kanishka also said that he wrote "in Aryan"), Iran meant "Land of the Aryans". |
Tracing the root air, ar and so on seems that the Sarmatians, Alans (in fact called themselves Iron) were of an aryan stock.
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Posted: 17-Mar-2005 at 00:17 |
We do know that Zoroastrianism did make an impact on the Sarmatians. According to Tadeusz Sulimirski, "Later in the Christian era, Zoroastrianism seems to have found some adherents among some Sarmatians, mainly Alan, tribes". (The Sarmatians, page 35). Zoroastrianism was also practiced among other Iranian tribes, including the Massagetae; "They worshiped the sun, to which they sacrificed horses, but Zoroastrianism must also have been widespread among them and the kindred tribes of the Central Asiatic and Kazakhstan steppes." (ibid. page 58). The Zend Avesta itself states that among peoples which received Zoroastrianism, were the Sairimas, the Sarmatians.
Iranian lore made the Sarmatians, the immediate western neighbors of the early Aryans, when "Airyanem" was located south of the Aral Sea, while Turan was located east of the "home of the Aryans". In Medievel legend the three brothers Salm (earlier Sarm), Iraj (from Eran Wej and ultimately from Airyanem Vaejah), and Turan (the Avestan Tiuryas) represented "Rome" (west), "Iran" (central), and "Turkestan" (east). The original Sarmatians, in contact with the original Aryans, became themselves Aryans. Remember, ultimately, the term "Aryan" originally referred to agricultural Iranic-speaking populations south of the Aral Sea, where the "Home of the Aryans" was located.
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Posted: 17-Mar-2005 at 04:07 |
Sharrukin, in another thread we are discussing about the similarities between Zarathustra and Abaraham, it is said that after Abrahams victory over Elam, he went to Salem, Where was Salem? Salm(Sarmatia) or Jerusalem? I think it should be somewhere around Elam.
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Posted: 17-Mar-2005 at 23:26 |
For starters, Abraham did not have a victory "over Elam". It was a victory over a coalition of eastern powers led by the king of Elam who invaded Canaan. The region was "the cities of the Plain" which included Sodom and Gomorrah. Salem is usually taken to mean Jerusalem and its ruler bore a Canaanite name. The custom of tithing which Abraham did to Melchizedek was a Middle Eastern custom. The story therefore, can only make sense, if all the factors described can be true to the region in question.
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