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Topic: Crowns in different cultures Posted: 22-Mar-2005 at 22:47 |
I noticed that Europeans (and Africans) have crowns for their monarchs, some passed from one generation to another, many on displays now.
However, many Asian monarchies did not have such traditions, nor did the crown seem to be as important, if it existed. Rather, they emphasised on dress codes - for example, only golden yellow or dragon motif could be used in attires by royalty.
There was a Korean gold crown, but it appeared symbolic headpiece rather than a grand statement. The Chinese also had small headpieces, but it seemed really more ornamental and other aristocrats also could wear them.
Does anyone know what led to the very dissimilar attitudes in this aspect of the different cultures?
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Posted: 22-Mar-2005 at 23:27 |
What do you mean by grand statment?
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Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 02:20 |
Originally posted by Gubukjanggoon
What do you mean by grand statment?
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I mean comparing the European crowns and Korean crowns, the a number of former were more ... how should I put it ... ostentatious?
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Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 08:50 |
Crowns were usualy symbolic, and only worn on special occasions, they
were very impractical to wear. Smaller more practical ones were often
used and worn more often.
Also, i'm sure that Crowns and their equivilent featured quite heavily
in Western and Southern Asia, as well as the Americas, they are
afterall, glorified headpieces
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Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 20:47 |
Originally posted by snowybeagle
Originally posted by Gubukjanggoon
What do you mean by grand statment?
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I mean comparing the European crowns and Korean crowns, the a number of former were more ... how should I put it ... ostentatious? |
Showy?
Korean crowns weren't showy? I'm still not getting what you're saying..hmm
Korean Crown
Or are you talking about the more Chinese style caps?
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Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 22:45 |
Woah, thats a sweet headpiece
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Posted: 24-Mar-2005 at 03:44 |
Originally posted by Gubukjanggoon
[QUOTE=snowybeagle]Showy?
Korean crowns weren't showy? I'm still not getting what you're saying..hmm
Or are you talking about the more Chinese style caps?
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Is that the most showy korean crown?
Compare that to some of the crowns boasting of the largest diamond, rubies etc ...
Look at the Imperial Crown of British India, number of times used, once. Weighs 34.05 ounces and is set with emeralds, rubies, sapphires and 6,100 diamonds.
Above : Hungary's St. Stephen Crown
Above: Papal Tiara
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Posted: 24-Mar-2005 at 04:58 |
Persian Crown:
The 300 years old throne in the background is studded with an array of some 26,733 precious gems - mostly rubies, emeralds and diamonds.
Do you know what it is:
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Posted: 24-Mar-2005 at 18:57 |
I guess I must be biased..
Snowy..I think it's a matter of opinion here.
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Posted: 24-Mar-2005 at 19:12 |
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
Persian Crown:
The 300 years old throne in the background is studded with an array of some 26,733 precious gems - mostly rubies, emeralds and diamonds.
Do you know what it is:
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where are these now?
still in Iran?
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Posted: 25-Mar-2005 at 02:57 |
where are these now?
still in Iran? |
Yes, I hope!
Meanwhile my last pic is one of imperial food covers.
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Posted: 25-Mar-2005 at 11:45 |
Originally posted by Gubook Janggoon
I guess I must be biased..
Snowy..I think it's a matter of opinion here.
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I don't get what you mean.
Do you mean you still think the Korean crown is more ... grand/ostentatious/showy?
Perhaps if I get a chance to see it in real life ... photography could fail to capture certain ... details.
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Posted: 25-Mar-2005 at 14:31 |
Originally posted by snowybeagle
Originally posted by Gubook Janggoon
I guess I must be biased..
Snowy..I think it's a matter of opinion here.
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I don't get what you mean.
Do you mean you still think the Korean crown is more ... grand/ostentatious/showy?
Perhaps if I get a chance to see it in real life ... photography could fail to capture certain ... details. |
Yes, I've actually seen it. There's a lot of intricate gold work and it's covered in Jade.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2005 at 01:15 |
Originally posted by Gubook Janggoon
[QUOTE=snowybeagle]Yes, I've actually seen it. There's a lot of intricate gold work and it's covered in Jade.
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That's how it looked to me - an elegant fine artistic product without any hint of being pretentious.
Rather reminds me of something of (high) elven design in certain Advanced Dungeons & Dragons genres - its beauty lies not in the quantity of gold used but in the delicate fine details crafted skilfully.
PS : You do realise the descriptions of grand/ostentatious/showy is not really complimentary?
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Posted: 26-Mar-2005 at 01:26 |
Originally posted by snowybeagle
Originally posted by Gubook Janggoon
[QUOTE=snowybeagle]Yes,
I've actually seen it. There's a lot of intricate gold work and
it's covered in Jade.
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That's how it looked to me - an elegant fine artistic product without any hint of being pretentious.
Rather reminds me of something of (high) elven
design in certain Advanced Dungeons & Dragons genres - its beauty
lies not in the quantity of gold used but in the delicate fine
details crafted skilfully.
PS : You do realise the descriptions of grand/ostentatious/showy is not really complimentary? |
No..I havn't been really comprehending anything you've said up till now..
You tang ren speak in such riddles... that carrier pigeon thing threw me way off.
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Posted: 26-Mar-2005 at 11:17 |
Originally posted by Gubook Janggoon
[QUOTE=snowybeagle]No..I havn't been really comprehending anything you've said up till now..
You tang ren speak in such riddles...that carrier pigeon thing threw me way off.
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Ooops, sorry about that.
But you're right, it's all a matter of personal preference.
For me, I prefer elegance and artistic over something ostentatious/loud (artistic is subjective, of course).
Sorry about the carrier pigeon too, it used to be something you can always count on to appear in stereotypical Chinese wuxia genre - like thriller movies requiring the hero has to choose the right wire to cut to defuse a bomb going off in 3 ... 2 ... 1 seconds. (see http://newton.hep.upenn.edu/~usynin/fun/mov1.html for other things you always find in movies).
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Posted: 26-Mar-2005 at 21:10 |
I have seen the Crown jewells of England twice. Since we have never had any royalty we have none.
But, at the Mary Hill Museum there is the coronation crown from Romania.
# Queen Marie of Romania royal regalia
Queen Marie of Romania royal regalia including coronation gown, crown, silverware, gilt furniture, jewelry and memorabilia. Numerous Russian Orthodox Icons including many with elaborate metal and enamel riza insets with semi-precious stones.
A collection of Faberge artifacts including an impeccable, classical flower study, Lily of the Valley of nephrite jade, rock crystal and gold is on display in the Queen Marie Gallery.
http://www.maryhillmuseum.org/collect.htm
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Posted: 26-Mar-2005 at 23:17 |
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
Persian Crown:
The 300 years old throne in the background is studded with an
array of some 26,733 precious gems - mostly rubies, emeralds and
diamonds.
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Looks like the idea came from Sassanid crowns
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Posted: 21-Jun-2005 at 04:58 |
Here is the crown of the Holy Roman Empire:
And the Longobard Crown:
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