How does Mongolians feel about Han Chinese?

Some excellent mongolian websites

An even bigger eye opener :

  Again, completely under state control with very little benefit to the native Mongols. it was under threat of being sold outright to Han business interests, and may have been at this point.

So it's good that you've provided eye opening points,  but many of those opened eyes are not smiling.

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Originally posted by cliveersknell qUESTION: If the Chinggis Khaan miniseries were under state control, why did it receive xcellent reviews in RM which is a democracy? just curious? Clive

version shown in R.M. is in mongolian. My friends in R.M. saw it and gave it high marks

Clive, I congratulate you on your business venture. Hopefully you will create a lot of jobs for local native Mongolians and hopefully you will be a responsible corporate citizen. As you are well aware, too many companies who invest in pristine faraway places, bribe local officials and pollute the environment and leave horrible mess that is very difficult to clean up later. In the end, the local population loose their priceless pristine natural ground, for a few paltry dollars and some short term employment. If you are catching fish, hopefully you will be doing it in a sustainable way not to deplete the stock or harm other marine species. While the mining companies are more of a hazard, all industrial plants need to be very careful in designing their process considering the impact to the environment. You may make slightly less money, but you and your children will sleep better at night and you will be treated as a wonderful enlightened friend and neighbor. Again I wish you good luck with your venture.

I have however issues with your defending Chinese govt. policies. I have not been in Inner Mongolia in person, but I have been in another minority "Autonomous" region and have seen first hand what Chinese govt. policies are and have heard first hand from local minorities. If you are spreading disinformation for getting into good books with the govt., do not expect people to buy it. Frankly I am a little puzzled to hear it from some one like you who has spent time on the ground. I have seen the Chinese made Chingis Khan, I think the Russian made one with the Japanese actor is better and I am sure there are ones made by Mongolians which are even better. The Chinese have a habit of calling everyone Chinese, according to Chinese, since Chingis Khan's grandson established Yuan, so Chingis Khan is also a Chinese emperor. Since Mongolians are one of the 55 ethnic groups, so Chingis Khan is also Chinese. Since Koguryo lands are in todays china, so Kwangetto is not Korean but a Chinese King and Koguryo is a Chinese kingdom, the list goes on and on. All this so Han Chinese empire can keep their hold on occupied lands. The best movie on Chingis Khan would have to be made by a Mongolian Director and with Mongolian actors to avoid hidden agendas pushed by all local powers such as China or Russia, perhaps with funds and technical expertise from the West. The story of Mongol conquest, done on location in many continents with authentic local manpower as extras, could be a multi sequel block buster. There is no other story like it in recent human history.

I wish all nations could and I believe that they eventually will live in harmony, but until they do, until they grow up and act like adults, instead of acting like infants, we have to tell it like it is. Today I saw a scientific study that until kids reach seven, they do not learn how to share:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1050009/Dont-bother-teaching-children-share-sweets-theyre-seven-study-claims.html

I am afraid some bully nations of the world are still stuck in their collective self development and the rest of humanity are victims of their infantile acts of aggression. If you complain to the Chinese, they say ask Europeans to get out of North America, Australia and New Zealand to give their land back to Native tribes, so that is their moral premise, they are just following the great standard of ethics established by the pillars of our civilization, the West, but what of the indigenous people and their rights who lived in harmony with nature and were great custodians of the land?

Originally posted by Sarmat12 Eventhorizon, I think your ideas are too idealistic. Everybody is bullying each other and will keep bullying until the end of the word. Those power who condemn the others in bullying are even bigger bullies.

Well, may be, ideals are not bad things to strive for. But I disagree that they have no practical relevance to todays reality.

Simply put, bully nations have few things in common, a large population in a large landmass, well developed economy and educational and research institutes that can support a military industrial complex. The physical manifestation of power is in trained personnel and hardware in their armed forces, but the real power comes from the economy and scientific knowledge-base. Essentially these are our empires today:

USA, Russia, China, India, EU (maybe in the future)

To get their raw materials and the markets to sell products all empires need vassal states, occupied lands, colonies and protectorates. Global empire USA is vicious in face of opposition but benign towards protectorates. Russia is semi benign, and reduced in scope. China is rising, has occupied lands and is practicing demographic invasion in occupied lands. India has one occupied land, has minority repression and discrimination but no demographic invasion. All use their power to achieve their goals to secure resources to maintain their hegemony, global or regional. Problem for Asian countries is that all three empires are in Asia.

Victim population of the world need to work on their own empires or regional blocks:

African Union, Asian Union - big 3 and South American Union

African Union and South American Union has already formed. The only one remaining is Asian Union - big 3. To counter imperial threats, the small nations must decide how to protect the interest of their people. The above is one way to counter threats from empires. It may also be the fastest way to develop poor under developed regions and improve Human Development Index of the population. Empires can join Asian Union, if they agree to abide by collective rules of conduct, just as in EU.

Sorry again for being off topic, I am just replying to your post.


Edited by eventhorizon - 28-Aug-2008 at 05:46

I'd just like to add that the part about Chinese claiming "Genghis Khan" to be Chinese is rather laughable.

Yes, per my wife, he is descended from the line of Jagatai he is a mongol from Xinjiang.

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