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Topic: JFK Assasination (Caution: Pictures May Be Disturbing) Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 12:24 |
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New Orleans district attorney Jim Garrison with members of his staff. |
The Garrison caseBy HOLLY HILDEBRAND HoustonChronicle.com
Jim
Garrison was a legend in New Orleans. Standing at 6 feet, 6 inches, the
district attorney was known as the "Jolly Green Giant," and his actions
were as big as his physique. With
a flair for publicity, he made sure reporters were with him when he
raided gay bars or arrested minor racketeers. And in March 1967, he was
ready to give newsmen their biggest scoop yet -- he had arrested and
taken into custody one of New Orleans' most respected civic leaders,
Clay L. Shaw. The charge: "Participation in the conspiracy to murder
John F. Kennedy." "My
staff and I solved the assassination weeks ago," Garrison told the news
conference in his office. "I wouldn't say this if we didn't have
evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt. We know the key individuals, the
cities involved, and how it was done." Thus began a trial that proved nothing.
It
started with a tip that a local man had acted as a getaway pilot in the
assassination. Garrison had begun to investigate Kennedy's death two
days after it occurred, and his inquiry led him to the strange figure
of David W. Ferrie, whom the D.A. held briefly for questioning. In the
meantime, Garrison used bits of information that were tenuous at best
to link "Clay Bertrand," a shadowy figure who supposedly had wished to
defend Lee Harvey Oswald, with Clay Shaw. When
Ferrie died -- mysteriously, according to some -- Garrison wasted
little time in arresting Shaw, who, he claimed, had known both Ferrie
and Oswald. Garrison told Warren Commission critics what they wanted to
hear: that Kennedy had been the victim of a right-wing cabal and a
conspiracy that involved anti-Castro Cubans and the CIA. When critic
Mark Lane asked Garrison how he knew all this, the D.A. replied: "Which
group do you think did it, retired circus clowns?"
Associated Press
Clay Shaw was acquitted in 1969. He died five years later. | "Circus"
would become an apt description of the Shaw trial. By the time Garrison
went to court, his list of plotters had grown longer and wilder. They
now included Minutemen, oil millionaires, munitions exporters, White
Russians, the Dallas police, members of the Dallas establishment and
unidentified elements of the "invisible Nazi substructure." Garrison's
witnesses were weirder still. One of them showed up wearing a toga and
identifying himself as "Julius Caesar." The star in the state lineup
admitted that the conspiratorial meeting he was supposed to have
recalled under hypnosis might really have been "an inconsequential bull
session." The testimony of another witness, a New York businessman
named Charles Speisel, who claimed he had been at a Shaw party where
criticisms of the president had turned into talk of ways to kill him,
disintegrated under cross-examination. Among other things, Speisel said
he had been hynotized 50 or 60 times. When asked how he knew this, he
replied: "When someone tries to get your attention--catch your eye.
That's a clue right off." By
the end of the case, Garrison rarely showed up in court. A recently
released diary by one of his staffers, Tom Bethell, shows that Garrison
had nearly lost hope of a conviction more than a year before the case
went to trial. Bethell
wrote that Garrison seemed to be getting bored with the case and spent
most of his time napping at the New Orleans Athletic Club. By March 15, 1968, Bethel had himself concluded that "there was no basis for Shaw's arrest."
Almost
a year later, a jury agreed. After deliberating only 45 minutes, it set
Shaw free. Yet the acquittal was not the end of Shaw's problems. The
next day, Garrison charged Shaw with perjury. It would take three more
years before the U.S. Supreme Court comfirmed a lower court ruling that
the charges be dropped. By
then, though, Shaw had been ruined. His health was broken, his money
spent. A month after being charged he had written in a diary, released
two years ago by friends who wished to salvage his tarnished
reputation: "There are only three alternatives. Kill yourself, you go
crazy and thereby blot the matter out; or, you can endure." "This
is going to be an enormously costly business, and I am not sure of
being able to recoup financially," Shaw wrote in March 1967. "I had
planned my retirement so carefully, having determined the point on the
actuarial tables where I would probably die, and prepared myself to
live to this point and, indeed, a little beyond. This case, of course,
will change all that." Shaw died of a brain tumor in New Orleans in 1974. He was 61.
Unlike
the man he prosecuted, Garrison prospered. He went on to be elected to
the state 4th Circuit Court of Appeals. He wrote books about his
assassination theories. And he was exalted as a hero in Oliver Stone's
1991 film, JFK, in which he was portrayed by Kevin Costner and even given a cameo role, as Chief Justice Earl Warren.
What
happened to Garrison would not have surprised his chief assistant, Jim
Alcock. During the Shaw case, Alcock wrote that "Garrison will come out
of this smelling like a rose. That guy has more luck than anyone I
know." Garrison died at age 70 in 1992.
JFKBefore dawn: President Kennedy awakens in Suite 850 of the Hotel Texas in Fort Worth.
8:45 a.m.: Kennedy receives a hearty welcome from a crowd in Fort Worth and addresses a breakfast.
10:45 a.m.: The presidential party leaves for Dallas.
11:37 a.m.: The Kennedys arrive at Love Field, Dallas.
11:52 a.m.: The presidential motorcade heads for downtown Dallas.
12:30 p.m.: Shots strike Kennedy and Gov. John Connally as their car heads down Elm Street.
About 12:35: Racing down Stemmons Freeway, the presidential car arrives at Parkland Hospital.
1 p.m.: President Kennedy is pronounced dead.
1:33 p.m.: Acting press secretary Malcolm Kilduff makes the official announcement of Kennedy's death.
2:18 p.m.: At Love Field, Jacqueline Kennedy and Kennedy aides board Air Force One with the president's body.
2:38 p.m.: Lyndon B. Johnson is sworn in as president.
2:47 p.m.: Air Force One takes off for Washington.
Shortly after dusk: The presidential plane arrives at Andrews Air Force Base.
Throughout the night: Kennedy's body undergoes an autopsy at Bethesda Naval Hospital. It is returned to the White House at 4:22 a.m. on Nov. 23. |
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OSWALDShortly after 7 a.m.: Lee Harvey Oswald walks to a neighbor's house for a ride to work at the Texas School Book Depository.
11:45 a.m.: Oswald is seen working on the fifth floor of the depository.
About 12:15 p.m.: Secretary Carolyn Arnold sees Oswald alone in the book depository lunchroom.
12:30 p.m.: President Kennedy is assassinated.
12:32 p.m.: An officer and the depository's building supervisor see Oswald in the lunchroom.
12:33 p.m.: Oswald leaves through the front entrance of the Texas School Book Depository.
12:40 p.m.: In heavy traffic, Oswald rides a bus that he apparently catches at Elm and Murphy streets.
12:44 p.m.: Oswald gets off the bus between Poydras and Lamar streets.
12:48 p.m.: Oswald hails a cab near the Greyhound Bus Station.
12:54 p.m.: Oswald gets out of the cab at Beckley Ave. and Neely St.
1 p.m.: Oswald arrives at his rooming house, 1026 N. Beckley Ave.
1:04 p.m.: Oswald leaves the rooming house.
1:15 p.m.: Officer J. D. Tippit is shot to death.
1:40 p.m.: Oswald enters the Texas Theatre, allegedly without buying a ticket.
1:45-1:50 p.m.: Police confront Oswald in the theater. There is a scuffle for a gun. He is hand-cuffed and dragged from the theater.
About 7 p.m.: Oswald is formally charged with the murder of Tippit.
Late evening: The suspect faces a press conference.
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PHOTOS ARE FOR SCIENTIFIC AND MEDICAL ANALYSIS ONLY
Further Stuff Will Be Posted
John F Kennedy Autopsy Photos www.CelebrityMorgue.com
A rather hasty military autopsy was performed on Kennedy's body at
Bethesda. Furthermore, images were taken that were later tampered with,
muddling things even more. We've tried to caution do not view if you are disturbed by autopsy photos
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 12:34 |
The CIABy HOLLY HILDEBRAND HoustonChronicle.com
When John F. Kennedy came to office, the Central Intelligence Agency was an entity virtually unto itself.
With little supervision from previous administrations, the agency had more or less done what it wanted -- and that included the instigation of coups, the incitement of rebellions, and plots to kill foreign leaders.
But a crisis occurred in the agency after the Bay of Pigs invasion, which the CIA had orchestrated. His power threatened, Kennedy fired CIA director Allen Dulles and deputy director Charles Cabell. For those conspiracy theorists who believe that the CIA was behind the assassination, these two facts are significant.
Dulles would be one of the members of the Warren Commission that determined Lee Harvey Oswald had acted alone in murdering Kennedy and Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit. And Cabell was the brother of Earle Cabell, who was the mayor of Dallas in 1963.
Had the CIA looked for a way to remove the man who was threatening its power? Certainly, it showed no signs of giving in easily. On the very day of the assassination, a CIA operative in Paris was delivering a poison pen to a Cuban traitor who had agreed to hand it to Fidel Castro.
Power-hungry, secretive, riddled with all sorts of sub-groups and eager "spooks," the CIA was just the sort of entity that could have executed and concealed a plot as apparently intricate as the Kennedy assassination. What's more, congressional oversight was just about nil in 1963.
And if someone suspected? The CIA had two words for its defense -- "plausible denial." And Mark Lane, the Warren Commission critic whose 1966 book Rush to Judgment had been so important to generations of doubters, used this very phrase for a 1991 book that pointed a finger at a CIA role in the assassination.
The book was the result of documents made available by the Freedom of Information Act and by sworn depositions Lane took from former CIA operatives and officials for a little-publicized libel trial in the U.S. District Court of Miami.
The 1978 case revolved around Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt, who had sued for defamation when a small magazine published a story by a CIA renegade who linked Hunt to the assassination. Lane signed up as a defense counsel, and his investigative efforts about the accuracy of the story led to victory. The forewoman of the jury said that the jury found against Hunt because it believed that the story had been truthful -- that the CIA had killed the president, Hunt had been part of it, and further investigation should be undertaken.
Yet questions still remain.
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 12:34 |
On the grassy knollBy HOLLY HILDEBRAND HoustonChronicle.com
Perhaps no two words are so instantly associated with the Kennedy assassination as "grassy knoll."
This geographical description refers to the small hill next to the Texas School Book Depository. That area is where Dallas dress manufacturer Abraham Zapruder took his home movie of the assassination. That area is where many conspiracy theorists believe shots -- and probably the fatal one -- were fired at President Kennedy.
It is a fact that just after the assassination, many members of the crowd a rushed up the hill in what they thought was the direction of the shots; witness Bill Newman, when asked by TV newsmen where the shots had come from, referred to "that little knoll back there."
Less certain are allegations that strange men in cars with out-of-town license plates were seen in the vicinity. Jim Garrison, the New Orleans district attorney who brought the only court case in the assassination and who claimed he had solved the case, ended up alleging that 16 gunmen were on the grassy knoll. But Garrison was far from vindicated in court.
The grassy knoll has even been linked to a grisly -- perhaps the most grisly -- Houston murder. In 1965, the dismembered bodies of Fred and Edwina Rogers were found in a refrigerator and freezer at their home at 1815 Driscoll in Houston. Their son, Charles, who was sought as a material witness, was never found, and the case remains "uncleared."
In the 1992 book The Man on the Grassy Knoll, John R. Craig and Philip A. Rogers linked Charles Rogers to the grassy knoll on Nov. 22, 1963. They also identified him as an Oswald imposter who traveled to Mexico City the month before the assassination and who took a used car for a test spin in Dallas two weeks before the president's death. The authors claim sharpshooter Rogers and Charles Harrelson, later convicted in the slaying of federal judge John Wood (and the father of actor Woody Harrelson), fired simultaneously at Kennedy from behind a picket fence. Fleeing to a boxcar, they were arrested along with another man and detained for two hours. Among conspiracy theorists, they are the famous "three tramps" whose release -- with no written record remaining of their arrest -- provides even more fodder for speculation about a conspiracy in Kennedy's death.
In 1992, however, Dallas researcher Mary La Fontaine searched the Dallas Police Department records and found the arrest records of three men who were indeed tramps. They were identified as Harold Doyle, Gus Abrams, and John Forrester Gedney. But authors Craig and Rogers raise doubts as to whether these three men were the only ones taken in after the president's killing.
Whatever the case, the place the grassy knoll holds in the minds of anyone who remembers or investigates the Kennedy assassination is not about to dim soon. Visit Dallas, and you will find conspiracy buffs of all sorts hanging out there, expounding their theories, selling their leaflets and newspapers, pointing out the landmarks. You can even stand behind the picket fence and get a view of what a killer -- maybe the killer -- saw on Nov. 22, 1963.
The grassy knoll is a place for thought.
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 13:41 |
Shocking..... Power of a sniper gun...
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 14:59 |
Celebretymorgue.com, well i suppose someone had to make that site.
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 15:15 |
please, those pictures are horrible and have nothing to do with history, you can easily tell that from the name of the HP.
besides, there's also no reason to direct-link the pics at all...
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 15:27 |
Don't you like the Dead Kennedys ?
Ta da dum, tssss...
Sorry, bad pun.
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 16:15 |
conspiracy theories about the Kennedy assasination...BS
I made an entire project for my US history class about why the conspiracies cannot be correct and how Lee Harvey Oswalrd alone did in fact kill JFK. And that is what I believe.
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 17:06 |
But have you seen the documentary of Nostradamus and his prediction of JFK assasination?
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 17:40 |
Gallipoli, I had to change the pics to a link because I think it's too graphic for this forum.
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 19:10 |
Garrison's entire case was based on the belief that Clay Shaw, using the alias "Clay Bertrand" conspired to kill Kennedy. Where did the name "Clay Bertrand" come from? From an eccentric, rather sleazy New Orleans lawyer named Dean Andrews.
Lou Ivon: No "Clay Bertrand"
Like the FBI in 1963, Garrison's researchers combed the French Quarter for "Clay Bertrand," the man Dean Andrews said had called him on the day after the assassination and suggested that Andrews go to Dallas to legally represent Oswald. What was the result? The following memo was written by Garrison's chief investigator, Lou Ivon.
M E M O R A N D U M
February 25, 1967
TO: JIM GARRISON
FROM: LOUIS IVON
RE: CLAY BERTRAND
To ascertain the location of one CLAY BERTRAND, I put out numerous inquiries and made contact with several sources in the French Quarter area. From the information we have obtained concerning this subject, I'm almost positive from my contacts that they would have known or heard of a CLAY BERTRAND. The information I received was negative results.
On February 22, 1967, I was approached by "BUBBIE" PETTINGILL in the Fountainbleu Motor Hotel, located on Tulane Avenue, whom I had earlier contacted about CLAY BERTRAND. He stated that DEAN ANDREWS admitted to him that CLAY BERTRAND never existed.
Ivon was not the only Garrison staffer to reach this conclusion. Assistant DA Andrew "Moo-Moo" Sciambra was given the task of "squeezing" the French Quarter to get information from homosexual informants. He admitted to author Edward Jay Epstein that he failed to find any "Bertrand." See Epstein's The Assassination Chronicles (New York, 1992), p. 196.
And I agree, this is no place for autopsy photos.
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 19:19 |
Galli:
I'm not intending to attack you, but those pictures were too much graphic.
A merely description of JFK assasination would be enough.
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 20:18 |
Originally posted by demon
But have you seen the documentary of Nostradamus and his prediction of JFK assasination? |
OMG DOnt make this any dumber than it already is. No offence, but a long dead french sage who makes vague predictions that could be interpreted any way isnt my idea of proof or even the existence of evidence.
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Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 22:03 |
Gallipoli, I had to change the pics to a link because I think it's too graphic for this forum.
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That's a good idea, there could be children researching something........although we do have other topics I don't think they should see.
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Posted: 03-Sep-2004 at 03:20 |
Okay okay Khakhan changed it, I was thinking about doing that. Can we just focus on the subject?I want to know your opinions
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Posted: 07-Sep-2004 at 06:12 |
owwww the photos.....
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Posted: 13-Sep-2004 at 19:52 |
I did not even take a look.
My good friend H. did a project on Kennedy assasination too, when we were in our good old grade 10 American history class. According to the videos and books I have seen, the conspiracy theory stands. Kennedy was in fact shot from a manhole right next to his car - an expert examined what areas of the brain were blown off, and eventually found out through mathmatical calculations that the angle of the bullet meant that it flew from the ground up - hence from the gun of a man-hole sniper.
The video was called The Men Who Killed Kennedy: The Truth Shall Make You Free. I watched it then gave it to H.
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 19:55 |
Originally posted by Tobodai
I made an entire project for my US history class about why the conspiracies cannot be correct and how Lee Harvey Oswald alone did in fact kill JFK. And that is what I believe.
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I am not going to offend you and I respect your law to have your own view, nevertheless in my opinion if you really believe in the official version of JFK's assassination, you are naive. Well, there's so much evidence that the real aim of Warren's Commission was to manipulate people, to lie them and to distort the facts. For me it's obvious and evident that Lee Harvey Oswald was not the mad guy but just the scapegoat.
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Thanks to the movie "JFK" the conspiracy theorists have had a field day assuming everything in that movie is fact and that there clearly was a conspiracy, not only does the link i've provided seems to me to totally demolish the seemingly endless myths about the assassination, what happened before hand and afterwards. Although it is largely to do with the movie it points out many things that have been played on as fact when in reality there is no evidence to suggest there is any truth to it.
Great movie and fascinating theories, but show me some concrete evidence, because i've yet to see any that hasnt been totally discredited or can be made to say anything you want it to.
http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100menu.html
There are so many theories on this assassination as to make it impossible for any of them to have credibility, some people just can't accept the distinct possibility that perhaps, Lee Harvey Oswald did actually blow the presidents brains out or that Elvis really is dead or that Aliens didnt land at Roswell or any other totally baseless theories that look good on paper, but often have absolutely no depth whatsoever.
Conspiracy theories are my pet-hate as you can tell probably because i'm tired of hearing about how Jews supposedly rule the world or how any number of secret societies are brainwashing us in an attempt for world domination. Its very difficult to take anything conspiracy theorists say seriously, because largely of the sheere lack of evidence.
To show the depth of some peoples insanity the sheer lack of evidence is often passed off as proof that there was a conspiracy
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