Colonists and Europeans

Well, besides forgeting Scotland and Wales as colonizers, the reasont that other countries did not try to colonize is because a sea route was much farther. Italy was too far from America to colonize it. The British started to get control of the seas, and they did not want to tolerate other attempts at colonization.

Though theres alot of Italians in the U.S. and Canada. I dont beleive Italy became a unified nation until the mid to late 1800s and was just inexperienced at imperial power plays. Though they did try to do some work in Africa with mixed results. Not really a colonizing thing though.

Originally posted by OZZY Were lots of Irish let in because they spoke the lingo and the English knowing that if they do loose power these North Americans will still linguistically have ties to the motherland???

Italy DID have colonies:

East Africa: Italian Somaliland (now Somalia), Eritrea, Abyssinia (now Ethiopia)

North Africa: Libya

Asia: Tientsin, China

Europe: Albania, the Dodecanes Islands (Greek), Montenegro

 

Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor Originally posted by OZZY Were lots of Irish let in because they spoke the lingo and the English knowing that if they do loose power these North Americans will still linguistically have ties to the motherland???   Supposedly, long into the Revolutionary War era and perhaps after, there were people living in the Appalachian and Catskill mountains who still spoke English in an Elizabethan-era dialect.  Has anyone else read or heard about this?

Yes, they were "Scots-Irish", Lowland Scots that moved to Ulster in the 1600s, mixed a bit with the Irish, and then moved to America, total number that moved was around 400,000 to areas around the Appalachian mountains.

Maybe most of you failed to mention (most likely as too obvious) that the main precondition for starting a colony or a settlement was to have a navy able to protect your trips from homeland to colony at a resonnable cost. For instance, the main reason why the Dutch gave up New York (then called New Amsterdam) was because it was much cheaper to go to England then to go to the Low Countries as the Royal Navy was the master of the seas.

That said, most European countries tried at one point or another to start colonizing somewhere. Some early examples are very interesting but most of them failed as the protestant colonization of Venezuela started by the Wesler, a Nuremberg based banker family. These piece of the New World was given to them by the Emperor Charles V as paiement of a loan but this was far too expensive even for them who in the 1520 were the second wealthyest family in Europe.

Other private started colonizing but they were smart enough to do it in partenership wih a state. The case of the Genoese is less famous and more ineresting than the too wellknown Venitians. The Genoese bankers had to way to colonize faraway countries, one was to start a somewhat shareolding company specially design to exploit a place (it was called a Mahone) the did so for the greek island of Chios, for Cyprus and for Corsica. The other option was to colonize with a foreign state as private investors, they did so for Madera, they brought the money, the Portugese king would provide protection.

To go on with this, it is interesting to realize that many colonization operation were done without the state (the two most famous example being British India and the Mayflower) or were mixt venture , partenership between the State and private investors).

M.

Sorry, I meant East-Africa, it always seems as a reasonable place (Angola, I mean). But Portogese... well, my textbook had German flag and hunters in Angola but I believe that that is wrong too since there are mistakes in it. Thanks for reminding.

Why is it VOC? Quite surprising... V********** Ost Companjie???? (I have no idea of Dutch but the V as first letter doesn't seem right, and am I correct atleast in the second two words' idea?

Originally posted by OZZY Also when the did Spaniards and the Portugese loose their majority, like Mexico??? What im saying is Mexico is mainly Mestizo, so when did the Spaniards loose their "power in numbers"