YO BOIZ...!!!! Guest what i found!!!

two things for sure:

the winning army with fire arms is the ming chinese army shown by the flags they are holding

the retreating force is the japanese

i am guessing it's ming's campaign against japan in korea

Edited by coolstorm

firmarms spread from china to all over including europe by the end of late ming.

      then who are the Koreans? surely they couldn't be the darker coloured one..'cause they are chinese...

Originally posted by coolstorm i guess they are all chinese. the korean force accounted for 1/10 of the combined force against japan in the late ming dynasty. they didn't play an important role in the campaign.

Umm...what?  So what did we do...sit around all day eating rice and kimchi?

The people in yellow look more Chinese...and Looking at one of the Samurai's helmets...(it's really tall) it looks to be an allusion to Kato Kiyomasa.  If this is true, the soldiers would be Korean as it was one of my ancestors who drove him out of Northern Korea.  The Honorable Jung Minbu of the Haeju Jungs...muhahaha

On a more serious note, I think the ethnicity of the soldiers depends on whoever drew it.

Korean helmet

Here are some more paintings of the so called "Ming Campaign in Korea"...better known as the Imjin Waeran in Korea.

Battle of Haengju Sansung

Death of Yi Soonshin

Depiction of turtle ships by (Korean, Japanese, Chinese?) Artist after the Imjin Waeran




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Hey Gubuk,

    The picture depicting turtle ships shouldn't be painted by a Chinese (because the style seems unfamiliar.)  It looks Japanese, but then I've very little knowledge of Korean paintings so I can't say it's not Korean.

Peace,

Michael

12-2-2004

All sides played equally important roles. The siege of the Korean castle (I forgot its name) is actually, according to my Korean neighbor, the first battle in which Korean women mobilized and fought alongside the men. Note the anti-assault weapons: the chained iron club on staff, as well as the rocket car. Not to mention the dying Yi Sun Shin...

But again, this battle could be any battle. The first painting is probably one done by some talented fan artist of the time period...

           hrm....why has my thread turned into one about turtle ships?

Originally posted by sephodwyrm The first painting is probably one done by some talented fan artist of the time period...

No way.  It looks far too modern and Westernized.

Year         Ming troops         Chosun troops        Japaneses troops ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------- 1592~3      74,000                  60,000                     200,000 1597~8     117,000    ; ; ;           ; ; ;   37,600       ; ; ;           ; ; ;   140,000 Total         191,000          ; ; ;       97,600   ; ; ;           ; ; ;       340,000

Keep in mind that almost all Korean troops during imjin war were civilian forces.  The Official trained Korean army were crumbled in the first 2 major battle versus the japanese, and were left to retreat with the king all the way to north.  Yi sun shin's army was mostly composed of civilian forces.  Same with Kwon Yul.  In fact, almost all korean victories were by civilian forces.   (Yes, with pitchforks and daggers) And I don't think they were counted in that number.

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btw, that picture seems like a modern computer altered picture.  But seeing how that archer has a korean bow (stereotpic feature of korean army), that army on left should be Koreans. 

According to what I've read so far...I think the battle is a depiction of battle of Pyongyang- one that took 187000 men to come out with 6600.  Really intensive battle.

 

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