Pikeshot
Traditional Islam IS being confrontational with Western values.
And traditional Islam IS?
And what are Western values?
Pikeshot
Islamists revere a form of Islam that cannot be sustained in the modern world,
And Islamists are? are they all the same?
What is the modern world?
Is Dubai not modern, is Malaysia not modern, is Turkey not modern in a technological, infastructural sense.
Pikeshot
and are willing to harm non-Islamic cultures to make a point.
Islam is not a "culture" its a religion.
Pikeshot
Non-Islamic cultures are "impure," Satanic and deserve to be destroyed.
What is an "Islamic culture", there are cultures in the muslim world and these have been influenced by the moral codes and guides of religion however religion and culture are seperate.
It's not culture which unites a Black American muslim and a Bajau sea nomad of Malaysia, its their bond through religion.
Islam does not teach for non-Islamic cultures to be destroyed or that they're satanic.
People with pollitical ideologies and agenda's do.
Pikeshot
In my view, there is little likelihood that "traditional" Islam and Western cultures can be reconciled. Islam requires, indeed demands, submission.
Submission to God.
Pikeshot
There is no f***ing way the essence of Western cultures will submit to so primitive a concept. It is not the year 750 AD.
If your in Europe in any big city go to the local mosque and see the number of converts at the mosque and ask them why they're submitting to "so primitive a concept".
Its ignorance which fuels conflict, Pikeshots ignorance is akin to the ignorance of those on the opposite side of the fence, both have intollerant views and don't actually know each other.
Pikeshot
The Islamist cancer
You have the same mentallity as people you supposedly disagree with.
Pikeshot
will be (as most abberations are) a generational phenomenon that will wither and die, which is what it deserves.
Wake up...
In a generation there will be even more muslims in Europe, as long as society carries on crumbling with hurtling levels of broken families, drug and alcohol abuse, generations of uneducated kids living on benefits in closed of council estates and ghettos...and so on, people will carry on looking for an alternative in life, some codes, morals, respect and faith to bring some civillised form of living on their mean streets.
Pikeshot
Islamic THEOLOGY demands things that are not compatible with the modern world and modern realities.
Theology hey, which interpretation would that be, Hanafi? Shafi? Maliki? Hanbali? Jaferi? which theological schools? Maturidi? or maybe Taasawuf though, Naqshibendi, Mevlana, Bektashi, Qadiri...
What is not compatiable with the modern world and realities?
Pikeshot
While many Christian Churches preach things that are unlikely to be practiced, most of them realize that these are ideals, and are willing to roll with the punch. Imams may encourage violence as "God's Will."
Well in the case of Europe, such Imams are only here because in the days when EU's policy was of there being, "good terrorists (freedom fighters who fight others) and bad terrorists (ones who are against us)" they let in a whole array of crack-pot loony Imams on the run who were hated in their homelands and condemned for their deviant preachings and trying to use religion for their pollitical ideologies.
Western European governments were warned about these dangerous people, however, for some reason some leaders thought that they could use these people as bargaining tools or against their own countries if relations with those countries became problematic and so on. Basically, they agreed to, enemy or my enemy is my friend and let these people in on the basis they can act freely, recruit, preach and so on and in return respect the country which allowed them refuge and refrain from attacks against them.
This obviously was a huge mistake, now these idiots are in Europe and turned on their puppet masters.
Ironically some have been sent back to places were apparetntly those states were "abusing their human rights" a few years ago but now apparently they're not, how things change...
Even more sickening is that most of these extremist orders and groups were financed by powerfull countries in the West during the cold war...
Pikeshot
fact that Maroccan islam is not Afghan islam proves that it adapts well to various situations. The question is why a western school of practice isn't emerging. Why always going to madrasas in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?
Islam is Islam
Cultures of Morrocco and Afganistan are different.
For example, in the Maghbreb the Touregs have their own dress, woman arn't veiled, men where blue headdresses and they have their culture and customes adapted for dessert dwelling.
In Afganistan they have different customs, dresses and so on.
However, they both are muslim, just like John in England who lives in Hampstead, went to Oxford, goes horse-riding on the weekends and mingels with aristocracy has a different culture but John is also muslim.
Or Turks, in Turkic culture woman have a high social status, since pre-Islamic times from the old "Yasa and Tore", men can only have one wife, woman can be leaders and warriors.
When Ibn Battuta travelled among the Turks he also noted, Turks having only one wife, not all woman wearing a veil, men and woman sitting together.
Still today its the same scenario.
However, they're also muslim.
Marhabbal
Many considered Latin as being quintessential for the catholic church, yet it was dropped and now you have female rabbis while traditionalists consider that it is an heresy
Initially there were woman Islamic scholors, teachers and leaders.
Its only later that the patriarchal Arab society of the day tried to enforce their culture instead of religion, hence making men dominant like in the pre-Islamic era.