The "macedonians" in today`s republic of Macedonia

Well, it`s interesting to me what are tinking the people from all over the world about the factical origins of the today`s "macedonians" in the republic of Macedonia.

My opinion is: in fact they are BULGARIANS. To define this more accurately i will say: they are bulgarian slavs.

And i want to challenge every people who thinks that in the world exist some evidence, that their origins are not bulgarian, to prove that in this thread/topik.

I agree with Mila. It is simplistic to think of Macedonians as Bulgarian, Greek or Serb. They are an amalgam of many different ethnicities.

To justify their claims over Macedonia, Bulgarians usually use linguistic arguments to show that Macedonians are Bulgarians.

Serbians employ historical arguments that Macedonia was part of the Serbian empire before the Ottoman Empire invaded.

Greeks use arguments from Antiquity and the supposed "Greekness" of Alexander of Macedon to justify their hold of the province.

I vote the "others" . I agree with Mila. Also I want also to add some IF that possibly you can make more easyli what they are.

IF THE SIMPLISTIC AND UNPRESUASIVE RATIONALE OF HABITATION in Macedo­nia defines who is a Macedonian, then the two million inhabitants of South Serbia (now FYROM), Pirin (Bulgarian) Macedonia's inhabitants, and the three million inhabitants of Hellenic Macedonia are Macedonians, irrespec­tive of ethnicity. Within this framework, we can divide historic Macedo­nia's inhabitants into three groups: Greek-Macedonians, Slav-Macedonians, and Bulgar-Macedonians.

IF HABITATION is the criterion of Macedonianism, FYROM's "Macedonians" would also include Albanians, Serbs, Bulgarians, Vlachs, gypsies,Greeks and Muslims of nondescript ethnicity. The Greek-Macedonian group would include the indigenous Hellenic Macedonians and Greek-speaking people who emigrated to Macedonia from Asia Minor and Eastern Rumelia during the second and third decade of the twentieth century.

THEREFORE, if we use the word "Macedonians" for FYROM's inhab­itants only, as most anthropologists we must called them as Slav-macedonians(karakasidou, poulton e.t.c.) 

This essay bg_turk doesn't have  the Slavmacedonians!! Or mention them as Bulgars Christian

[Margaret M. Hasluck; G. M. Morant Biometrika, Vol. 21, No. 1/4. (Dec., 1929), pp. 322-336. ]

Dear Subotai and dear Mixcoatl,

in this thread, i don`t ask the people: How the today`s "macedonians" in the republic of Macedonia do consider themselves? In this thread, i`m asking for THE OPINIONS of the other users ABOUT THE TRUE ORIGINS of the today`s "macedonians" who are living in the republic of Macedonia.

The today`s "macedonians" are FREE to be such as they WANT...

No doubt after the Turko-Russian war of 1878-79, and the Balkan wars (when most of the exile and massacres occured) 1912-1913, Most of Macedonia's (both Northern Macedonia and Greek Macedonia including Salonica) was Turkish.

After the Kummanova defeat and the total defeat in the First Balkan War, Turks in Uskub, Kavala, Drama, Rodop, Mustafapasha, Ishtip, Manastir and all over Macedonia and Kosova were either massacred, or exiled in those hard, dangerous winter conditions. According th the 1905 statistics of the Ottoman Empire, there lived 1 million Turks (just 495,000 around Salonica), 750,000 Albanians, 627,ooo Rumoi (including Serbs, Ulahs and Greeks), 575,000 Bulgarians, and 200,000 Jews, Armenians, Catholics and Protestants. Even the European statistics showed the number of Turks and Albanians around 1-1,5 million. And Justin McCarthy claism that the number of Muslims even reached 2 millions in total.

Before being shared between Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria, Macedonia was the center of Turkish population in Rumeli. The CUP was founded in Macedonia, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, was one of those Turks who were locals of Salonica once, a lot of famous Turkish literature figures including Mehmet Akif Ersoy, who was the poet of Turkish national anthem was from Kosova. And Uskub, just like Dimetoka, Manastir, G�m�lcine, Salonica and others, was a Turkish city. A small Turkish society still live there, and Turkish culture is visible from the architecture to the tea, from the costums to the language. Turkish is still the second language of the region.

I agree with you.The slav population of this state is nothing else but Bulgarian.It was the Yugoslavia's policy that ''transformed'' these people from western Bulgarians into "Macedonians'' by ''serbianising''  their Bulgarian language.I wonder why Tito didn't transform them into ''Dardanians'' or ''Paeonians''.I think I know the answer
The region that today this state occupies is mostly Dardania not Macedonia.The Dardanians who were living in antiquity in that place were deadly opponents of the Macedonians.So here is an oxymorous scheme
If some people are really indigenous in the area occupied by this state are the Aromanians in my opinion who are the descendants of the latinised indigenous population.

What?! The turks were the biggest number of the macedonian citizens before the Russo-Turkish war and the Balkan wars?! Who will believe in this? I think, i cannot.

Dear Bashibozuk, can you post some sources about this, but different than Justin McCarty? I think that the most of the other users can post sources with another statistics who are different than McCarty`s statistics.

That`s right! In fact the today`s "macedonian" people is BORN in 1944 year.