Turks And Mongols

That's three exchanges that belong in the Non-English forum. Take it over there guys. Thanks.

Well, Kuralas, I'm from Ashghabat. Take care...

Originally posted by BurakMertTurk Anyway we are all BROTHERS...

Yeah, I agree. We humans are all brothers.

Originally posted by mongol warrior i think think there is enough common in mongolian and turkish tradition, and lot of words are (have) same (meaning), ex : mongolian flower - tsetseg [spelling in turkish : ceceg] == turkish checheg [c,ec,eg] .. etc..

I wonder what 'tsetseg' or 'ceceg' or 'checheg' mean. I'm asking, because there is a kind of sabre called 'czeczuga' in Poland (Polish 'cz' is prounanced as 'ts'). This sabre has Tartar roots.

Originally posted by DayI checheg, tsetseg, ceceg or in proper Turkish �i�ek means flower, what does czeczuga means?

In Polish laguage, czeczuga (another version is 'czeczega') is the name of this sabre

http://www.atamankoszowy.webpark.pl/czeczuga.htm

 

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Originally posted by BurakMertTurk All the Turkic world..doesnt matter what u call us..We have some blood..Also many European people carry our blood (What a barbaric idea)

Oh no more pure blood crap please...

Yeah you fascists!

wait, who are we talking about....

I think the photos that I posted before really show the difference between Mongols and Turks.And I also mentioned that I was grow up in a place where Uighurs,Khazaks,Mongols and Uzbeks live together( life stile of these people over there is very traditional,original),I stayed among these people for 25years.I have never felt any similerity between Mongols and Turks,both have its own unique culture,but they are different!! of course this difference smaller than from chinese,but still much. In addition,Mongols has different traditional festivals from Turks.As far as I have understood,all turks have a same new year festival every 21st. March,which called Nuruz(newruz).

Without quastion,the period of Chinggiz Khan,some Mongol people were assimilated by Some turkic tribes,this is due to the fact that when Mongols troups moved westward,they had left their family in Mongol uplands,when they reached Baltic sea,Mongol soldiers are very homesick.And most of them went back to their homeland.They left very few Mongol people per city or reagion as an adminstrator( you can have same description from the book---Chinggizkhan,by W.G.Yan).After some years they were assimilated by local people.e.g. the 11th descendant of Chinggiz khan----king Tughluq toemur  forced his about 200000 soldiers to convert their belief into islam,the king�s tomb is located Ghulja city (in East Turkistan,Ili reagion),which is a big islamic tomb.More interesting thing is ,there is a village near my home,the people in there is called Sart-Mongol,Sart is here means Uighur.My grandfather told me that they are mixture people of Uighur and Mongol.

Originally posted by Tekir Actually, Erkin Ekrem discovered that Chinese sources mention Quan Yi People in 2146 BC. They are not Turkic or Mongoloid. Probably it was before Altaic nations were seperated. So it may be the ancestor of both Turkics and Mongols. First Mongoloid state is actually Dong Hu. First Turkic State is Xiong Nu. Both were existing in 2 BC.

I would say we can not depend much on the chinese historical resources,the reason is:
Nowdays even most chinese historians agree that there are lot of faked storyies,not true facts so to say,in historical chinese documents.Back to history,the historians were belong to palace(kingdom) ,with the exception of Si Ma Qian(who was punished by his king),so they were not used to write true event,if one chinese king is forced to pay tax to neighboring kingdom,the palace historians wrote down that as his king gave more presents to that neighbor king in order to show his kindness!!  This explanation comes from famous modern chinese historian Jian Bo Zen.you can check this from his historical papers if you know Chinese lang..

So there are much more uncertainty...

And there is a new theory about the origin of Uighur(Turk so to say).Pro.Dr. Abdushukur Muhemmedimin(1933~1995) introduced that the origin of Uighurs is Sak(sarmatian/synthian/sikif/saku),a steppy people originally from Black sea to Altay mountains( corresponding reference: Ancient Central Asia,Uighur version).His theory largerly depends on the various archaeologic facts and cultural consistancy over this reagion.so it seems much reasonable.

After all,its hard to say where is the real origin.But most Turkic folklore are telling its Altay reagion!! may be later,with development of science,we could have more reasonable answers!...




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sorry the photos arranged bit awkward,anyway you can see how beautiful is that,its 5th century B.C.!!! whatever who is the descendanct of them,these are the most fantastic art works of humanrace...