Alexander the Great

Zeus10 and the rest, why don't you open another thread instead of messing up this one with irrelavant information?

Edited by Flipper - 21-Oct-2007 at 09:33

Leonidas:

The disscusion was flowing normally. My emotions never supersedes my judgement. Its harmless when you listen to a opinion totally different from yours. And also, dont listen to the 'bug". The pseudointelectual "noise" is more dangerous for your position than my postings.

Why did Alexander accomplish so much?

Originally posted by krater Why did Alexander accomplish so much? Well, I think one cannot judge of his success using his personality only. Look at the name he was given: means protector of men: he must have been born to invade persia, litterarly.  And look at his upbringing: he knew what military is at a very early age.  These all are signs that he was meant to be what he was and do what he did

Originally posted by krater If Demosthenes spoke lies of Philip out of political reasons, how come the Athenians believed Demosthenes?

Originally posted by Penelope Originally posted by krater Why did Alexander accomplish so much? Well, I think one cannot judge of his success using his personality only. Look at the name he was given: means protector of men: he must have been born to invade persia, litterarly.  And look at his upbringing: he knew what military is at a very early age.  These all are signs that he was meant to be what he was and do what he did   Good point. The House of Macedon claimed descent from Heracles, and the House of Epirus claimed descent from Achilles. Since Alexander was a descendant of both houses, he would've most certainly felt some kind of inspiration.

There is some Bacchiadai in the House of Macedon as well which traces back to Corinth. That explains the name Alexander. According to Eusebius, the first man in Greece named Alexander, was Alexander of Corinth, 10th King of his city who ruled around the late 9th century.

Originally posted by krater Yes, that's true, but how could the Athenians believe th ''slave lies''. i mean it's not as nowadays, eg iraq, where we get to know about it through tv. those people did tradings they must've known the other nation's characteristics, kind of common sense, to my mind. afterall, based od D orations the greek fought the macedonians, am i right?

Athens and Thebes did. They do not represent the whole of Greece. There were allies and neutrals as well.

In the Peloponesian war the same happened. The wars between cities and kindoms were constant. Many minor wars occured that do not get much attention.

Originally posted by krater can it be proven beyond reasonable doubt, though, A was greek?

This has been analyzed millions of times here. The Royal House of Macedon and the people who lived there are two separate things. Macedonians started as a tribe with their leader called Macedon. The Royal House, started centuries later, by Karanos who was from Argos. The Kings that followed were not exactly natives but an Aristocracy comming from other Kindoms or cities.

Originally posted by krater yes, seems we've come to another issue, that of the dorians. why do you think dorians are greek? i mean i was visiting a forum on macedonia and found some plausible thoughts as to dorians not being greek (their lifestyle would explain that).

Dorians...hehe, there was never a doubt about the Dorians. They belonged to the second largest dialectic group of greek language speakers.  For example the Spartans were Dorians. Many colonies around the mediteranian were Dorian and even though they were remote their language reveals their origin.

Today, there is 1 clear dorian dialect left in Greece. That is the Tsakonian language of the villages around Sparta. Karpathian (of the island of karpathos) is Dorian as well but with more mixtures. The same goes for the Paladarian Greek which is a mix of Doric and Attic. Generally the surviving languages that keep some doric elements belong to a diatopy called "pu" or "pou".

no i mean couldn't it be the same: kind of ''LEGENDARY'', ie this Highlander/Jesus issue, i mean...