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    Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 16:10

Originally posted by Gharanai

One is brother of the other with two different names, I would say I really wish I was born in Stone Age era.

why? you wouldn't be able to live through 50 most probably in the stone age.

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  Quote Gharanai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 16:32
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why? you wouldn't be able to live through 50 most probably in the stone age.

Who cares for a longer life, the moment you come to the world your life is fixed, no one can change it so if for example it's fixed to 20, no matter when you are born or where you are born, you will die after 20 years (my thinking!).



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  Quote Spartakus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 16:37
Both.Communism with limited Capitalism.
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  Quote Isbul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 16:40

Communism with very small private sector(mainly in the agroculture)



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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 18:26
Communism without a social pressure...
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  Quote Maziar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 18:39
Originally posted by kotumeyil

Communism without a social pressure...
.... is a unreachable dream
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  Quote Sino Defender Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 20:43
Originally posted by Gharanai

Originally posted by Sino Defender

why? you wouldn't be able to live through 50 most probably in the stone age.

Who cares for a longer life, the moment you come to the world your life is fixed, no one can change it so if for example it's fixed to 20, no matter when you are born or where you are born, you will die after 20 years (my thinking!).

good medical services can make one's life longer.

"Whoever messes with the heavenly middle kingdom, no matter how far s/he escapes, s/he is to be slaughtered"
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 21:19

 

         I still remember the cold war and everything that went with it-     Capitalism.

         I have a tape of Animal Farm, whenever I questioned capitalism I'd plug it in.

 

         

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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Apr-2006 at 02:18

Originally posted by Maziar

Originally posted by kotumeyil

Communism without a social pressure...
.... is a unreachable dream

Then you tried to reach? 

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  Quote mamikon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Apr-2006 at 02:40
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         I still remember the cold war and everything that went with it-     Capitalism.

         I have a tape of Animal Farm, whenever I questioned capitalism I'd plug it in.



whenever communists question communism they get a one way ticket to Siberia

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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Apr-2006 at 08:33
capitalism with communist based ethics enshrined into law.




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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Apr-2006 at 12:22

Originally posted by Leonidas

capitalism with communist based ethics enshrined into law.


What do you mean? Would that imply social programs and the like?

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  Quote Kalevipoeg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Apr-2006 at 16:52
Communism is good and fine, but they are too eager on killing and imprisoning everyone they dislike: "From capitalist blood rise the people!!!!"

Comeone, just get to governing, whats the deal. Creating enemies doesn't create worldwide peace among workers.
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  Quote Beylerbeyi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Apr-2006 at 19:52

Communist, of course.

Don't compare the USA (rich imperialists who fleece the world, who made vast profits from two world wars) to USSR (poor country, devastated in two world wars). Let's make a sensible comparison instead.

We have the ideal situation: same f**king country under capitalist and communist regimes. Let's compare Russian Federation during Soviet times and Russia today. 15 years after, they are still at 70% of their Soviet era pro capita GDP.

whenever communists question communism they get a one way ticket to Siberia

Lies. But yeah, victors write the history. In fact there were no Siberian prison camps in the USSR after Stalin. They were opened by capitalists in the first place, anyway, under Tsars.

Did you know that in the 1980s, you were 1.5 times more likely to go to the prison in the US than in the USSR. Who was the real police state?

Do you know which country today has the largest percentage of its population in jail? Yes, you are right!

US is indeed world's number one police state:

Half of the world's prison population of about nine million is held in the US, China or Russia.

Prison rates in the US are the world's highest, at 724 people per 100,000. In Russia the rate is 581.

At 145 per 100,000, the imprisonment rate of England and Wales is at about the midpoint worldwide.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2 page1.stm

UK is European leader in jailing its population, but an American citizen is 5 times more likely to be imprisoned. Wow. That's impressive.

Land of the free, right...

The US has nearly 6.9 million people - roughly 3.2% of the adult population - in prison or on probation or parole, a Justice Department report reveals.

The report also revealed 41% of people on parole last year were black, while 40% were white.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3928009.stm

Of course they are all poor people, or niggers, so who cares?  

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  Quote Kalevipoeg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Apr-2006 at 15:46
The USSR gets some good points among Estonians today aswell, no argument there. Although the ruling elite was ridiculous and laughed at here, you could get free healthcare and normal salary to some extent. You could also have bought at about 100 books a month for my fathers salary during the USSR for example although culture was under restrictions and under constant chokehold so the ones worth reading were often banned.

Still, it didn't outweigh the dictatorship. The fools let us visit Finland as tourists, that changed a few.... thousand minds for democracy and self rule. Showed us what half a century of self rule can do to one successfully minded country as Finland was.

It had its nostaligic aspects which must be recognized and had some strong aspects that should be enforced today also, but still, "it was just ridiculous, that communism" as my father says shaking his head in awe. "Everybody stole just the same whereever they could get their hands on. The only difference was there was no difference."
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  Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Apr-2006 at 21:41
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi

Let's compare Russian Federation during Soviet times and Russia today. 15 years after, they are still at 70% of their Soviet era pro capita GDP.

Why don't we compare the Russian Empire in 1900 with the Soviet Union in 1925? I'm sure you could get similar statistics. You should give Putin a chance, Russia isn't down yet.

Pure Communism and Pure Capitalism are both decent systems, the problem is it is impossible to attain either. What we need designing out systems of government are not idealists that assume that everyone are greedy or socialist, but a pramatitist that regonises what people actually do and who then trys to design a system that is difficult to corrupt.
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   The Communists claim that they liberated the Russian people. Yet, when the Great Patriotic War began, these same Russians greeted their foreign invaders with tears, with flowers and with enthusiastic hospitality. What can have brought them to the point at which they would greet even Hitler as their saviour and liberator?

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Originally posted by barish

Class distinction, social injustice... I believe these are the result of the Capitalist economy.

Turkey was never a Socialist country, but its economy was planned according to statist principles.

Statism was abandoned here in '50s.

All capital owners invest their money in Istanbul, so Eastern provinces remain poor.

Uneducated and poor people of Eastern Turkey immigrate to big cities.

Since they don't have the qualities for a stable job, they become criminals to survive.

Our social structure will collapse if we don't leave free market policy in economics.

So...

Capitalism

If your country adopted communism you would all become uneducated, poor people.  Communism doesn't help less fortunate members of society, it brings down everyone else making everyone into poor unfortunate people (I guess they are somewhat equal, equally poor).  Regarding these people that you speak of that do not have the qualities for a "stable job".  Do you really think they would become educated/productive members of society under communism?  I can assure you that they would not, they would continue to be criminals (people rarely change).  Perhaps if you educated them though, they would become better smarter criminals, though I don't see how that benefits anyone.

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  Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Apr-2006 at 01:33
Originally posted by red clay

   The Communists claim that they liberated the Russian people. Yet, when the Great Patriotic War began, these same Russians greeted their foreign invaders with tears, with flowers and with enthusiastic hospitality. What can have brought them to the point at which they would greet even Hitler as their saviour and liberator?




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Reading too much fascist propaganda have you? Those same Russians defeated Nazi Germany, for the loss of, oh, 20 million men.
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  Quote TheDiplomat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Apr-2006 at 02:41

Originally posted by Kalevipoeg

Creating enemies doesn't create worldwide peace among workers.

Nothing unites people more than a common enemy.

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