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Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 04:56 |
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon
It is all instinct. Although I may be wrong, (and
please point it out if i am) as i see it in nature, men are the
controlling factors. In Lion Prides we see a dominant male having his
pick of the litter of females. And we see this in other mammals too.
The dominant male "owns" all the females. So it is naturally accepted
"in the before time" for a man to have many wives. I cannot imagine a
woman having more than one husband. Just think about it..woman are not
as horny "most of the time" as men. She doesnt need more than one man.
But a man hell for sure would love more than one woman  |
I think your right. Its one of those society things, if you want to
know the answer Maziar I suggest you do a scientific study on it. If
you look hard enough at anything in Islam it generally makes sense.
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Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 08:38 |
Originally posted by Maziar
well it doesn't interest me how many men are women allowed to marry, i
wanna know why men have the permittion, and why hadn't islam gave women
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It is quite simple, really. Islam was a relgion tailor-made to suit the
needs of the Arab people in the sixth century. It accommodated their
needs.
Arabia at that time was still very tribal and warlike in many regions.
Because of the constant internecine warfare among the tribes, mortality
in the adult male population was quite high. However, as females were
not expected to partake in this continual combat their mortality rate
was not as high. This left Arab society with a problem, how to take
care of so many women whose husbands had been killed in the constant
tribal warfare. The simple solution was polygamy, the surviving males
taking on the role of protector and provider for the extra women by
taking her into his care as his wife. Before Mohammed polygamy was
already very well established in Arab society, Mohammad actually put
restrictions on it by cutting down the number of wives you could
legally marry.
The reason why men can and women cannot enjoy this polygamy is fairly clear if we accept the above as being the reason.
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Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 13:23 |
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon
It is all instinct. Although I may be wrong, (and please point it out if i am) as i see it in nature, men are the controlling factors. In Lion Prides we see a dominant male having his pick of the litter of females. And we see this in other mammals too. The dominant male "owns" all the females. So it is naturally accepted "in the before time" for a man to have many wives. I cannot imagine a woman having more than one husband. Just think about it..woman are not as horny "most of the time" as men. She doesnt need more than one man. But a man hell for sure would love more than one woman |
It doesn't make sense, i have read in newspaper about women who loved more than one man. Even i saw in news a report about a german woman she had a husband in germany and another husband in Kenia. She came to court and was sentenced, becouse polygamy is forbidden in germany.
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Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 13:25 |
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon
It is all instinct. Although I may be wrong, (and please point it out if i am) as i see it in nature, men are the controlling factors. In Lion Prides we see a dominant male having his pick of the litter of females. And we see this in other mammals too. The dominant male "owns" all the females. So it is naturally accepted "in the before time" for a man to have many wives. I cannot imagine a woman having more than one husband. Just think about it..woman are not as horny "most of the time" as men. She doesnt need more than one man. But a man hell for sure would love more than one woman |
I think your right. Its one of those society things, if you want to know the answer Maziar I suggest you do a scientific study on it. If you look hard enough at anything in Islam it generally makes sense.
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My question in this thread is a part of the scient study you mentione.
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Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 13:31 |
Originally posted by Constantine XI
Originally posted by Maziar
well it doesn't interest me how many men are women allowed to marry, i wanna know why men have the permittion, and why hadn't islam gave women this permittion. |
It is quite simple, really. Islam was a relgion tailor-made to suit the needs of the Arab people in the sixth century. It accommodated their needs.
Arabia at that time was still very tribal and warlike in many regions. Because of the constant internecine warfare among the tribes, mortality in the adult male population was quite high. However, as females were not expected to partake in this continual combat their mortality rate was not as high. This left Arab society with a problem, how to take care of so many women whose husbands had been killed in the constant tribal warfare. The simple solution was polygamy, the surviving males taking on the role of protector and provider for the extra women by taking her into his care as his wife. Before Mohammed polygamy was already very well established in Arab society, Mohammad actually put restrictions on it by cutting down the number of wives you could legally marry.
The reason why men can and women cannot enjoy this polygamy is fairly clear if we accept the above as being the reason.
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Yes this makes sense to me. If we accept your theory (what i do), so we assume there was a situation of distress. So we can say today this tradition is obsolete, and there is no need to practisize it anymore.
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Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 14:49 |
Originally posted by Maziar
well it doesn't interest me how many men are women allowed to marry, i wanna know why men have the permittion, and why hadn't islam gave women this permittion. |
Well dear Maziar,
First of all I would like to say that non of the major religions allow this act and one of the most basic reason behind it is that; If a woman has more than one husband and she gets pregnant, how one decide whose child she is carrying.
I mean while there wasn't any advance technology to determine the blood group of the child and all those other DNA tests, how could one know a child's father while there is more than one husband at a time.
That's (as far as I know) why Islam and all other major religions don't allow more than one husband at a time and men are allowed four wives at a time only if he could provid all 4 equal rights and could feed all 4 of them. So the option for men are also not as easy as said.
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Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 15:03 |
Originally posted by Gharanai
Originally posted by Maziar
well it doesn't interest me how many men are women allowed to marry, i wanna know why men have the permittion, and why hadn't islam gave women this permittion. |
Well dear Maziar,
First of all I would like to say that non of the major religions allow this act and one of the most basic reason behind it is that; If a woman has more than one husband and she gets pregnant, how one decide whose child she is carrying.
I mean while there wasn't any advance technology to determine the blood group of the child and all those other DNA tests, how could one know a child's father while there is more than one husband at a time.
That's (as far as I know) why Islam and all other major religions don't allow more than one husband at a time and men are allowed four wives at a time only if he could provid all 4 equal rights and could feed all 4 of them. So the option for men are also not as easy as said.
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I have already answered to this one, please read my main post again, i wrote:"Someone mentioned once, if there is a child , how whould you know who the father is, to whom whould this child belong? well first of all a paternity test today is no probleme, it will go very fast. second the child belongs to the mother and no one else."
I really interested to find out the real reason, and i think the answer Constantine XI gave is more sensfull than other reasons.
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Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 15:23 |
Originally posted by Maziar
I really interested to find out the real reason, and i think the answer Constantine XI gave is more sensfull than other reasons. |
First of all I really am sorry that I hadn't read your first post properly, so I replied with that point of veiw.
Afterwards as you said that Constantine XI's answer was more sensfull which said; "It is quite simple, really. Islam was a relgion tailor-made to suit the needs of the Arab people in the sixth century. It accommodated their needs."
Ok we now know why Islam banned it, now could you eleborate us why did Christianity, Judiasm and all other major religions banned this act ?
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Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 16:41 |
Originally posted by Gharanai
First of all I really am sorry that I hadn't read your first post properly, so I replied with that point of veiw. |
Don't worry about it, i do this mistake permanently
| Afterwards as you said that Constantine XI's answer was more sensfull which said; "It is quite simple, really. Islam was a relgion tailor-made to suit the needs of the Arab people in the sixth century. It accommodated their needs." |
No, i said this theory is more sensefull than other reasons i have read here. Still i think i am missing a better and sensefull reason.
| Ok we now know why Islam banned it, now could you eleborate us why did Christianity, Judiasm and all other major religions banned this act ?
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I don't know, and this is why i ask this question here. But let us first find out a satisfying answer to this question about Islam. Another major religions will have another reasons, or maybe the same reasons for this act.
Btw, to my knowledg only Islam gives men the permission to have more than one wife. Another majore religions don't.
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Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 21:16 |
In many people now have, a wife, a girlfriend, and a secretary. Messy
divorces occur, families are destroyed and the biggest loosers are
always the women. I'm sure its better to have a failsafe to protect the
family.
Originally posted by Constantine
Because of the constant internecine warfare among the tribes, mortality
in the adult male population was quite high. However, as females were
not expected to partake in this continual combat their mortality rate
was not as high. |
Women fought on the battlefield as well, at least after Islam they did, before I think they did.
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Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 23:50 |
Originally posted by Maziar
Originally posted by Constantine XI
Originally posted by Maziar
well it doesn't interest me how many men are women allowed to marry, i wanna know why men have the permittion, and why hadn't islam gave women this permittion. |
It is quite simple, really. Islam was a relgion tailor-made to suit the needs of the Arab people in the sixth century. It accommodated their needs.
Arabia at that time was still very tribal and warlike in many regions. Because of the constant internecine warfare among the tribes, mortality in the adult male population was quite high. However, as females were not expected to partake in this continual combat their mortality rate was not as high. This left Arab society with a problem, how to take care of so many women whose husbands had been killed in the constant tribal warfare. The simple solution was polygamy, the surviving males taking on the role of protector and provider for the extra women by taking her into his care as his wife. Before Mohammed polygamy was already very well established in Arab society, Mohammad actually put restrictions on it by cutting down the number of wives you could legally marry.
The reason why men can and women cannot enjoy this polygamy is fairly clear if we accept the above as being the reason.
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Yes this makes sense to me. If we accept your theory (what i do), so we assume there was a situation of distress. So we can say today this tradition is obsolete, and there is no need to practisize it anymore.
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You are right, there is no need to practice it anymore now. In Islam, it is said that it's better you take one wife, can take two only on the basis that you can equally treat them (which it's always difficult to do), and the limit is four. It's clear that Islam discourages poligamy, which was well established before Islam as Constantine XI stated.
As for your initial question, if woman fought in the battlefield, workoutside to support the family (several husbands who give birth to the children  ), And physiologically and psychologically made some changes, then they might have had this previlege.
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Posted: 02-May-2006 at 13:23 |
The following is a very unique case ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060502/ap_on_fe_st/unusual_coup le
Couple, 33 and 104, Reportedly Marry
A 33-year-old man in northern Malaysia has married a 104-year-old woman, saying mutual respect and friendship had turned to love, a news report said Tuesday.
It was Muhamad Noor Che Musa's first marriage and his wife's 21st, according to The Star newspaper which cited a report in the Malay-language Harian Metro tabloid.
Muhamad, an ex-army serviceman said he found peace and a sense of belonging after meeting Wook Kundor, whom he said he initially sympathized with because she was childless, old and alone, the report said.
"I am not after her money, as she is poor," Muhamad reportedly said. "Before meeting Wook, I never stayed in one place for long."
He said he hoped to help his new bride to master Roman script while she taught him Islamic religious knowledge.
The report did not say if any of Wook's previous 20 husbands are still alive.
Malaysian Muslim men are allowed by their religion to take up to four wives at a time, but reports of women who marry more than once are rare. Muslim women do not practice polygamy.
Malaysia's 26 million population comprises about 60 percent Muslims, almost all ethnic Malays. Large ethnic Chinese and Indian minorities are Buddhists, Hindus or Christians.
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Posted: 02-May-2006 at 19:46 |
| Malaysian Muslim men are allowed by their religion to take up to four
wives at a time, but reports of women who marry more than once are
rare. Muslim women do not practice polygamy. |
Why did they mention polygamy in the article?
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Posted: 04-May-2006 at 17:53 |
hmm.. u guys knw about this? 
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| Malaysian Muslim men are allowed by their religion to take up to four wives at a time, but reports of women who marry more than once are rare. Muslim women do not practice polygamy. | | |
Why did they mention polygamy in the article?
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because the old granny married more thn 20 times.. due to re-marriage and divorce.. just to inform tht muslims women do not practice married more thn one person in a time...
Now she is looking for second wife for her husband... i'm confuse..
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Posted: 04-May-2006 at 23:21 |
You know it is a western media. They always are very concerning to mention the poligamy when they get any chance to.
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If a woman allowed to marry more than one man then she is not going to know who are her child's father is , that's one of the reasons has been explained by islam
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Posted: 08-May-2006 at 13:56 |
Originally posted by HeilHim
If a woman allowed to marry more than one man then she is not going to know who are her child's father is , that's one of the reasons has been explained by islam |
I have answered this befor, look:
Originally posted by Maziar
Someone mentioned once, if there is a child , how whould you know who the father is, to whom whould this child belong? well first of all a paternity test today is no probleme, it will go very fast. second the child belongs to the mother and no one else. |
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Posted: 11-May-2006 at 13:46 |
Originally posted by Maziar
Originally posted by HeilHim
If a woman allowed to marry more than one man then she is not going to know who are her child's father is , that's one of the reasons has been explained by islam |
I have answered this befor, look:
Originally posted by Maziar
Someone mentioned once, if there is a child , how whould you know who the father is, to whom whould this child belong? well first of all a paternity test today is no probleme, it will go very fast. second the child belongs to the mother and no one else.
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why a muslim woman needs to have more thn a husband Maziar? As wht Mira had asked u previously..
It isnt only regarding the child belong to who but Islam rules and regulations itself... i think u knw that..
A child must be named and follow the father's surname.. not the mom's name.. and it's already being discussed so many times in AE about man leadership and rights in Islam. Only one man.. a father will lead the family.. not the mom. I dont think it is practicle to have a wife with few husbands in a family.. and it just not so acceptable in Islam.. Yucks!
Hmmm.. I guess those men who willing to be married and share his wife with other guys are not man enough.. lol
Futhermore... a man will be the 'wali' for his children when they are getting married (refer to daughters).. the responsibility has been given to the man not to woman.
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Posted: 11-May-2006 at 14:34 |
Originally posted by cahaya
why a muslim woman needs to have more thn a husband Maziar? As wht Mira had asked u previously.. |
Like Mira you havn't got my point. I ask why are men allowed to marry 4 women and women are not allowed, in another words: why have men more privilegs than the women?
| It isnt only regarding the child belong to who but Islam rules and regulations itself... i think u knw that.. |
for sure i know that. yes Islam rules and regulations itself, but in a unequal way, men are always favored.
| A child must be named and follow the father's surname.. not the mom's name.. |
Why?
| and it's already being discussed so many times in AE about man leadership and rights in Islam. Only one man.. a father will lead the family.. not the mom |
Yes i am awar. But let me ask you something, if you were a university professor and your husband a street cleaner, would you still think he is the right one to lead the family? would you still stand in front of him sinking your head and saying i'll do what you order me?(nothing against street cleaners, but for sure as uni professor you are more intelligent than him)
| I dont think it is practicle to have a wife with few husbands in a family.. and it just not so acceptable in Islam.. Yucks! |
neither i will accept to share my wife with another men, and you know women don't like to share their men with other women too.
| Hmmm.. I guess those men who willing to be married and share his wife with other guys are not man enough.. lol |
agree with this. Don't you think women who share their husband with another women are not women enough? i think so.
Futhermore... a man will be the 'wali' for his children when they are getting married (refer to daughters).. the responsibility has been given to the man not to woman.
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Yes, and i am so sorry for that, like i said befor Islam is a manly religion and men are favored.
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Posted: 13-May-2006 at 10:38 |
Mazier, answer me please:
Are women same as men physiologically and psychologically? Are their responsibilities in the societies and families the same?
If the answer is no, then how come they can be equal?
In Islam, it is stated very clearly that women are the clothes of men, as the same men are the clothes of women. As men take more responsibilities for the families, then they should be a level higher in position. The reason is:
Their more responsibilites came from the structure of the society and men's physical and mental abilities, which somehow protects women from engaging in social struggle. How come one can claim Islam favours men, while it's requiring more responsibilites from men?
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