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Topic: Japanese History Posted: 25-Feb-2007 at 04:38 |
Haha, no no pekau, sorry if I sounded mean, i never bother reading what i write so i didnt see it sounded offencive, but I love Koreans. Most of my frineds and girlfriends in Japan were Korean, haha. I agree with everything you said, and I apoligise for coming across annoyed. Anyway, I think what the Japanese did were abonible, or whateva the word is. Okinawa is really pretty by the way. But theres a massive american army base though, so if you go to Yoronto and stuff, small islands off, its heaps nice. Sorry Pekau! I love Koreans! and Japanese!
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Posted: 25-Feb-2007 at 19:54 |
I never went to Okinawa (Though I wish I did), but I have been in Osaka, Tokyo and Kyoto. I nearly pleaded to visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but I never went there. I hoped to visit Japan again, but it's going to be hard once I get to Canada. Lucky me.
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Posted: 26-Feb-2007 at 09:55 |
Well, it is hard to aspire to any serious research on Japanese history unless you read the language, so what little I know I have learned from half-popular histories such as Stephen Turnbull's books. The focus is most often on the military aspect of Japanese history, so that's I know the most about, it seems this goes for most us, although I'd like to read some English books on Japanese history with a different approach as well.
I am particularly interested in the 16th century; the unificiation of Japan and the encounter with Europeans and Christianity.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2007 at 02:00 |
So educate us on the 16th century japan Reginmund!
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Posted: 04-Mar-2007 at 08:54 |
HistoryPoi:
I am interested in the interaction of the Ainus with the average Japanese in the present and during history. I hear somewhere that some Samurai warriors were Ainus. It is possible? What do you think?
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Posted: 12-Mar-2007 at 11:54 |
very few Japanese come to our forum,
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Posted: 12-Mar-2007 at 21:53 |
Very few indeed. I think I am the only one that lived in the Japan the longest...
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Posted: 12-Mar-2007 at 21:56 |
Originally posted by pinguin
HistoryPoi:
I am interested in the interaction of the Ainus with the average Japanese in the present and during history. I hear somewhere that some Samurai warriors were Ainus. It is possible? What do you think?
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Depends. Ainus had very different military systems compared to Japan's. Being the natives of the northern Japan, they are lightly armed compared to Japanese, but overall... they fell behind compare to Japan's military.
Some Ainus warriors converted into samurai, but as the time went by... population and influence of Ainus weakened, until they became a minor player in Japanese politics. They were nearlt assimilated numerous times...
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Posted: 14-Mar-2007 at 18:28 |
when I lived in Japan, I wrote a long essay on hokkaido and then the ainus, who lived in Hokkaido. The Ainus, who were the native to Hokkaido, and very rarely ventured into the main island. Then during the maiji restoration, they mixed, and it wasnt toooo bad of a relationsship. I don't know about the samurai, but im sure it could of happened. THere was heaps of cross breading. The Ainus kinda look Japanese, cept with quite ilslanders!
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Posted: 14-Mar-2007 at 18:36 |
The ainus lived mainlt yin Hokkaido, which is the north island. So it wasnt untill the maiji restoration that the japanese went up there much. But when they did, they kinda mixed and there was no much tension actually. Im sure some could have become samurais, but it was pretty late in history that they mixed, though its possible. I wrote an essay on Hokkiado when I lived in Japan, so if i can find it, ill attatch it. The Ainu people people are kind of a more islandy culture, and looked a lot like Ainus. Oh and it was crazy btw, ill tell you a little story. I was in an Ainu village and I watched this amazing dance called the hair dance, which pretty much just involved people swishing there hair up and down. And then i was watching some TV a couple of months later in Australia, and I turned it to a travel show. On this show, they were tlaking about the culture on some of the people on Islands off Taiwan, that had not been effected by the japanese invasion. It was crazy because they dressed exactly the same, and did the exact saqme dance. THen, thinking about that, a couple of weeks later, I went to a museum in Sydney, and it was about people from the torrestraite, and they did the exact same thing. It was amazing proof about the spread of these people. The exact same dance, in the same clothes. Anyway, the Ainus did come from the South, but also from North (Siberia) and West (Mongolia mainly, but also China). Ill try attach the other thing later.
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Posted: 14-Mar-2007 at 18:56 |
Yeah. There are some theories that Ainus were once the same people that travelled to North America.
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Posted: 15-Mar-2007 at 13:26 |
But once upon atime, Aniu occupied most of the Japanese island, later there were pushed back to the North.
In your viewpoint, was it possible the ansectors of today Japanese were Chinese and Koreans?
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Posted: 15-Mar-2007 at 14:27 |
Originally posted by tommy
But once upon atime, Aniu occupied most of the Japanese island, later there were pushed back to the North.
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Well... no. Aniu were in the mainland of Japan, but the population is mostly in Northern Japan. And Ainus were never a huge majority, but not small minority either. That's why they were never threatened to be assimilated until the population explosion in Maiji period. They never got too involved with Japan's politics and war, and their influence was never too significant in any periods of Japan. They liked to be isolated, except for some trades and some tributes.
Tommy, anything is possible without need for evidence. There are some logical theories about how Chinese, migrated from the West, migrated into Korea and to Japan.
A cool fact that you may not have known is that Korea and Japan were once one unified land! This may explain how the easy the migration may have been in those days...
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Posted: 16-Mar-2007 at 07:02 |
Meiji period by the way. The traditional people of Japan came from China, and that there was large amounts of korean influence in the culture. However noone knows about the previous people, like the Jomons and Ainu people's origin. Also, it used to be easy to walk from Siberia from Hokkaido, long after Korea and Japan. But the Ainu culture is so different, and...islandish...from the modern japanese and medieval japanese. So yah, that my iimput.
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Posted: 16-Mar-2007 at 08:50 |
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So educate us on the 16th century japan Reginmund! |
I'd rather not, my knowledge is too sketchy.
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Posted: 16-Mar-2007 at 10:39 |
Korean influence towards Japan was profound only in the early days. Once Japan developed to become a civilization, they started to restrict the Korean influence over Japan until... they only allowed very few in Nagasaki along with few Dutch and Chinese traders.
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Posted: 17-Mar-2007 at 02:29 |
hm, japan was still taking culture and stuff from Korea after they became a civilisation. For example it was recently since they were taking cultureal things such as religions, and geometric city things. Please Reginmund, my knwlegde is worse than sketchy, but ive managed to say soemthing with some content!
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Posted: 17-Mar-2007 at 06:30 |
Jomons culture was created by Ainu
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Posted: 17-Mar-2007 at 07:33 |
Originally posted by tommy
Jomons culture was created by Ainu |
It was vice versa wasnt it?
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Posted: 18-Mar-2007 at 16:07 |
Originally posted by HistoryPoi
hm, japan was still taking culture and stuff from Korea after they became a civilisation. For example it was recently since they were taking cultureal things such as religions, and geometric city things.Please Reginmund, my knwlegde is worse than sketchy, but ive managed to say soemthing with some content!
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Yeah, too bad it is so badly written.
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