Westernization of Iranian clothing...

Originally posted by Spartakus Why????

Because feminization is, on one side an excesive preocupation for appeareances, for superficial, and on other side is linked to sex, which in my opinion is alienating the human being, when is made for pleasure, not for children birth.

But we fall offtopic.

Originally posted by Styrbiorn How come people link "Western" clothing with sex all the time? Tells more about people than western clothing, I'd say.

I didn't speaked about Western but about beauty. I think this is a dezhumanizing concept.

Due to this 'value' of the society, the girls are, since little, preocupied excesively for their appearing and this made them a ware, objects.

Sorry, i have lost track of this thread. what are we talking about here now?

I guess Menumorut refers to the attention humans (womanhood being the stereotype he builds his attack on) pay to their own body (and indirectly to the way women dress - this was the original discussion). I think he preaches some sort of carelessness to our bodies (though I'm not sure where he draws the line between hygiene and allegedly excessive care).

Edited by Chilbudios - 07-Dec-2007 at 12:33

Mmm well I think women have been this way obsessed since time immemorial.   Just look at the archaeological findings at the 5000 year old burnt city.

Originally posted by Zagros Mmm well I think women have been this way obsessed since time immemorial.   Just look at the archaeological findings at the 5000 year old burnt city.

Only in the Patriarchal societies. In the Matriarchal ones, they weren't.

Originally posted by Styrbiorn Is this theory of yours limited to adult? Or is, in your opinion, a man or woman who think a child is beautiful therefore by default a potential pedophile? I totally disagree by the way. Beauty in humans doesn't have to be sexual.

A hermaphrodite never would be considered beautiful.

Originally posted by Zagros Matriarchal, such as?

Such as the prehistoric population from Poliochni, Lemnos island:


There has been discovered a town which was nearly twice as large as contemporary Troy.
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The town was surrounded by a stone wall which was 5 meters high, and there were slots for archers. This is rather surprising because at this period only at Poliochni there have been found arrow-heads! It is an amazing parallel to the Amazons because the Amazons were considered as outstanding archers.
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A special feature of Poliochni must be pointed out: The town consisted of uniform large dwelling houses which demonstrate that there existed a society with very little social differences. This kind of social order is a typical sign of matriarchy (female rule).

http://www.net4you.com/poellauerg/Lemnos/lemnos.html

Edited by Menumorut - 07-Dec-2007 at 14:41

Originally posted by Menumorut A hermaphrodite never would be considered beautiful.

Edited by Chilbudios - 07-Dec-2007 at 15:02

Originally posted by Styrbiorn

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There are some info about Matriarchal societies on the web, I allready posted about Poliochnis.

Originally posted by Chilbudios You certainly haven't read Dexippus' contributions in the threads on Hellenism. But let me exemplify (from Wikipedia Commons): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Borghese_Hermaphroditus_Louvre_Ma231_n4.jpg I find your visions on women, sexuality and beauty stereotypical and ultimately chauvinistic. While there are trends on beauty and sexuality in the history of art, of ideas, etc., there are far from being the absolute values (moreover, today!) of "humanization" as you have claimed in this thread.

In Hellenistic society it was an intelectual cult for hermaphroditism but today is not the case.

The same case is with other non-sexual forms of beauty: they are promoted by some intelectual atitudes in art, but practicaly nobody is atracted by something else at a person of oposite sex than the sex-appeal.


The Aesthetic scale of values is allways linked to some desirable.

Originally posted by Chilbudios yes but how do you know that feminine beauty was not revered in this culture too?

In a society dominated by women there is not competition for males, so they have no reason of wishing to become beautiful.



You know the Neolithic statues of Grand Mother, is not something nice. Even if the Neolithic societies were not Matriarchal, it seems that it was not developed the cult of female beauty, like in the ones from Egypt or, I think Summer.

Chilbudios, lets close this discussion, we may continuate it in private or on other topic.