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Topic: Japanese and Turkic Posted: 01-Jun-2007 at 13:28 |
Proto – Altaic: by
English: I 1st person pronoun
Proto - Japanese: ba
Old Japanese: wa
Modern Japanese: watashi, wate, oi wan, watta, banu, anu
Proto - Turkic: be
Old Turkic: ben, men
Modern Turkic: men, ben
Notes: The form ‘watakusi’ is regarded by Mochizuki as *wa-tu-(a)ku si 'my place direction', and by Martin as *ba-tukusi 'exhaust me' or 'I exhaust'. Rising accent in ‘watakusi’ is unclear.
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Posted: 01-Jun-2007 at 13:29 |
Proto - Altaic: sari
English: To know, to feel
Proto - Japanese: sir
Old Japanese: sir
Modern Japanese: shir, shiy, ch
Proto - Turkic: ser (To feel, understand)
Old Turkic: sez
Modern Turkic: sez, seza, siz
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Posted: 01-Jun-2007 at 13:33 |
Proto - Altaic: deka
English: to burn
Proto - Japanese: dak
Old Japanese: yak
Modern Japanese: yaq, yat, yaky, yach, yag, dag
Proto - Turkic: yaq
Old Turkic:
Modern Turkic: yaq
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Posted: 01-Jun-2007 at 13:37 |
Proto – Altaic: koke
English: breat; heart
Proto – Japanese: kikiri (heart)
Old Japanese: kokoro
Modern Japanese: kokoro, koro, kukuru, kuguru
Proto – Turkic: kgr (emotion; female breast)
Old Turkic: kgz
Modern Turkic: kgr, kkre, kkrek, kgz
Notes: Accent is not quite clear: all dialects point probably to a low tone on first syllable (except Tokyo: kokoro).
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Posted: 01-Jun-2007 at 13:38 |
Proto – Altaic: ara
English: recent, new
Proto – Japanese: ara(-ta) (new)
Old Japanese: arata
Modern Japanese: aratashi, ara
Proto –Turkic: ara
Old Turkic:
Modern Turkic: ara (recent), arasa (clean; new)
Notes: Low tone in ‘ara-ta-‘ is probably secondary (a result of some contamination). The stem ‘arata’ is preserved as a nominal and verbal stem (arata-ma: Tokyo aratame- 'to renew').
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Posted: 04-Jun-2007 at 15:16 |
Proto – Altaic: biuri
English: one
Proto – Japanese: pity
Old Japanese: pyito
Modern Japanese: hitotsu, thi, ti, pitu, thu
Proto – Turkic: bir
Old Turkic: bir
Modern Turkic: bir, ber
Notes: Also Turkmen ‘pitw’ (one; unit).
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Posted: 04-Jun-2007 at 15:16 |
Proto – Altaic: ngana
English: sky
Proto – Japanese: amai
Old Japanese: ame
Modern Japanese: ame, ami
Proto – Turkic: anar
Old Turkic: ayaz
Modern Turkic: ayar, ayas, ayaz
Notes: Altaic nasal ‘ng’ has been dropped off in both Japanese and Turkic. Altaic ‘n’ has been changed into ‘m’ in Japanese.
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Posted: 04-Jun-2007 at 15:18 |
Proto – Altaic: kipi (pipi)
English: to say
Proto – Japanese: ip
Old Japanese: ip
Modern Japanese: yu, y, i,
Proto – Turkic: kep
Old Turkic: kep
Modern Turkic: Kep, gep, kip
Notes: Japanese has dropped off the first Altaic consonant.
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Posted: 04-Jun-2007 at 15:21 |
Proto – Altaic: kiayo
English: Strong odor, smoke
Proto – Japanese: kain - puri
Old Japanese: k(i)eburi
Modern Japanese: keburi, kemuri, kemui, kibushi, kipusi, kibunchi
Proto – Turkic: kayir
Old Turkic: qayir
Modern Turkic: qayir, bayir
Notes: Historically a compound with ‘pur-‘ 'to wave' (or ‘pur-‘ 'to snow, rain'); the Ryukyu variant ‘kaiNpusi’ may reflect a different suffixation (or the influence of ‘mus- 'to boil, steam'). Simple ‘kai’ is also attested in Old Japanese as ‘ke 'vapour, breath'; the word is traditionally regarded as borrowed from Chinese ‘khɨj’, but the vocalism is somewhat strange (one would rather expect Old Japanese ‘ki -‘ which, as a matter of fact, is also attested and is the normal Goon / Kanon reading of the character 氣).
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Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 13:47 |
Proto – Altaic: tuna / chuna
English: kernel, seed
Proto – Japanese: tanai
Old Japanese: tane
Modern Japanese: tane, tani
Proto – Turkic:
Old Turkic:
Modern Turkic: tane, dane
Notes: The root is rather dubious, because it is only present in Turkic, Japanese and Korean (and not in Mongolian as partner for Turkic or Tungus - Manchu as partner for Japanese and Korean).
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Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 13:48 |
Proto – Altaic: tioli
English: stone
Proto – Japanese: disi
Old Japanese: isi
Modern Japanese: ishi
Proto – Turkic: tial
Old Turkic: tash
Modern Turkic: tash, dash, das, chol
Noes: Modern Japanese has dropped off the Proto – Japanese ‘d’.
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Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 13:49 |
Proto – Altaic: ba
English: to bind
Proto – Japanese: bi (bua) (tail)
Old Japanese: wo
Modern Japanese: o, yu
Proto – Turkic: b(i)a
Old Turkic: ba, bagh
Modern Turkic: bagh, baw, baghla, bawla
Noes: One of the few common Altaic monosyllabic roots.
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Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 13:51 |
Proto – Altaic: e
English: that
Proto – Japanese: a
Old Japanese:
Modern Japanese: a-re, a-no, a-n, a-nu
Proto – Turkic: an
Old Turkic: an-ta, angar
Modern Turkic: an-da, an-a, an-ar
Noes: In Old Turkic and most modern languages the root ‘a(n)-‘ acts as an oblique stem for ol 'that' (as well as a deriving stem for pronominal adverbs).
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Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 13:51 |
Proto – Altaic: ko
English: this
Proto – Japanese: ki
Old Japanese: ko
Modern Japanese: kore, kare (he), koi, ku-n, ku-nu, ka-nu,
Proto – Turkic: k
Old Turkic:
Modern Turkic: ku, ko, gu, go
Notes: High tone in Tokyo ‘kaʹ-re’ is not clear (the stem ‘ka-‘appears to be a merger of ‘kə-‘ and ‘aʹ-‘).
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Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 13:59 |
Proto – Altaic: puchu
English: two; half
Proto – Japanese: puta
Old Japanese: puta
Modern Japanese: futa, huta, tha, ta,
Proto – Turkic: buch-uk (half; one of a pair)
Old Turkic:
Modern Turkic: buchuq, uchuq, buchuk
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Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 14:00 |
Proto – Altaic: ota
English: fire; hot, warm
Proto – Japanese: ata, atu
Old Japanese: atatake, atu
Modern Japanese: atataka, atsu
Proto – Turkic: ot
Old Turkic: ot
Modern Turkic: ot, od, ut
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Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 14:03 |
Proto – Altaic: miuri
English: water
Proto – Japanese: mitu
Old Japanese: myidu
Modern Japanese: mizu, mit, min,
Proto – Turkic: yag-mur (rain)
Old Turkic: yag-mur
Modern Turkic: yag-mur, yag-myr
Notes: Turkic has preserved the root only within the archaic compound 'yag-mur’ 'rain'.
Modern Turkic uses ‘suw’/’su’ to mean ‘water’.
Tone in Japanese is irregular (probably because of reduction and the position within a compound.
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Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 14:05 |
Proto – Altaic: ng(i)
English: what
Proto – Japanese: n
Old Japanese: nani
Modern Japanese: nani, nai, nu
Proto – Turkic:
Old Turkic: ne
Modern Turkic: ne, neme, nime,
Notes: The earliest PT form must have contained a unique initial nasal (generally nasals were not allowed word-initially), having yielded specific reflexes in modern languages.
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Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 14:06 |
Proto – Altaic: siayri
English: white
Proto – Japanese: sirua
Old Japanese: sirwo
Modern Japanese: siro, shiro, siru
Proto – Turkic: siarig (1- yellow 2- white)
Old Turkic: sarig
Modern Turkic: sariq, sari
Notes: ‘Yellow', is secondarily induced by the Turkic forms - since the original meaning of the root, preserved also in Chuvash, was certainly 'white'.
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Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 14:07 |
Proto – Altaic: kioybu
English: pale
Proto – Japanese: ku-i (yellow)
Old Japanese: ki
Modern Japanese: ki-iro, kire, chiru, ki-n-ke, kiru-chichi
Proto – Turkic: kuba, koba
Old Turkic:
Modern Turkic: quba, quwa, quw
Notes: ‘The root ‘kuʹ-‘ is proved by compounds like Old Japanese ‘ku-gane’ 'yellow metal, gold'.
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