About the Celts.....

Originally posted by Paul The people who live in the north of Germany.   Catalan+Fischkopp+Illyrian= And the name for these people combined is?

Originally posted by gcle2003 Originally posted by Paul GCLE what do you call the pre-celtic people? I don't actually. Not my period. However, which pre-celtic people? If you can't refer to people as celts, how can you use the term 'pre-celtic'? It can't mean the people who lived where the celts did before they got there in the first place. Or, possibly, second place.   A touch of the own petards I feel.

only now i completely understand what Pauls problem is. the simple answer to 'what do you call the pre-celtic people' is, they were the original indo-european speakers, i mean celtic didn't suddenly fell from the sky.
but in case of britain it did, more or less. since the genetics of the original celts of central europe and the british isles are different, he concludes that the celtic speakers of britian were not originally celtic speakers. so he has a serious continuation problem, his ancestors adopted a foreign langague so they can't be celts. then he concludes celts never existed because originally the british were not the same as those of the continent, so the term must be artificial and serves no purpose.
the only explanation i have why it bothers him so much is nationalism. he needs self identification which history can't give him as there is no thorough continuation and the original inhabitants of the British isles are obstructed by lack of historical records.


Edited by Temujin - 12-Jan-2008 at 20:09

Originally posted by gcle2003 Originally posted by Paul The people who live in the north of Germany.   Catalan+Fischkopp+Illyrian= And the name for these people combined is? Unnecessary.

Temujin, I believe you said Fischkopp to the people at the coast. So I don't mind.

Spaniards, Illyrians and North Germans? I don't really know what you want. If we shall find a name for the pre-celtic population we can name them Pre-Celts. I like to call them Britani or Prytani. I don't know if they ever named themselves like that, but because I do believe a lot of them came from the Southwest, Spain e.g., I link them with Aquitani, Lusitani, Bastetani, Mauretani.

Originally posted by Chilbudios Originally posted by Paul We don't have a collective name for the eastern Spanish, Northern Germans and llyrians, but we seem to manage without one. Is that an operative grouping?

Originally posted by Paul   Boulogne?

Paul, like suggested above, the material culture traits are grouped usually under a name derived from name of a relevant archaeological site (e.g. Hallstatt - in Austria) or sometimes describing a feature of that culture (e.g. Urnfield = urn + field). If there's a common material culture, don't worry it will receive a name, until now they all did.

Straw man fallacy (houses vs temples, not everything to do vs largely identical).