History comparisons! Othman and Macedonian

Actually, I feel very close to stating that "word play" is a basic step in understanding the past!

Historians have certainly made a mess of it by refering to one person as; "the Red", or "The Bald", or "the Chaste", or "the Wise", or "the Brave", or "The Conqueror", etc., whilst ignoring that other equally eminent men or women, were then and now referred to by merely another word meaning the same!

Just how many names describe "brave" or "chaste", or "Wise", or "red", etc.!

I personally have a great deal of trouble when I read the words of some respected historian, when he or she, does not go to the trouble to identify all of the possible names the subject might well have been known as in the past!

It is merely a form of cheating!

For example, just how many forms (and meanings) of the name "Otto" can you find?

Just what is the name "Otto" supposed to mean?

Search thru all of the above and then respond please!

Remember to mention all of the possible language possibilities?

Edited by opuslola - 18-Feb-2011 at 21:31

  We here on Balkans,out of Turkey, knew about Ottoman Empire:they were bad we were good.First think i always have told you about this was:All Balkans countries have history books with same events and persons,adopted for their personal usage and nationality.Ottomans  and their origin we must analyze until Byzantine Empire was still ruled!Asiatic people were used always like mercenaries by Byzantine as by Rome before!This chapter was described excellent  with Attila and his participation in all Roma's conflicts!?!Those soldiers had received lands for military service also.Hungary,Bulgaria,Turkey,Finland or part of their land was colonized as gift for this service.Bulgaria and Turkey were on road of migrations  from ancient times also.
Mongols and other Asiatic people were members of Byzantine Empire.Until conflict had not happened there!
Regular payments were not payed?Number of children with unknown fathers grown up?New religion got power from weakness of Byzantine social realities!?!Just like today caliph!


Edited by medenaywe - 08-Mar-2011 at 12:15

I read this from your post about their activities in Athens!Nothing from this have not been described or published since today in history books here.Conflicts among Balkans countries with deeper study can be explained very precise.Balkans are still hostages of crusaders ancestors today and their "Holly Roman Emperor" title conquest!Lot of destructive wars on Balkans and World,i can explain by this.They believe all the rest are still their slaves?!?Last chapter of Balkans history have been classic criminal supported by government structures and people from banks.It was called transition.Something was forgotten:Democratic!?!Concerning this i found why after Empires nothing from original document have
left.All was burned or rewritten.Reason:Actors of crime not to be punished!?!Destiny of 99,999999% of all
documents for last 2200 years, was decided by existence of incriminating residual part.
  http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Otto
  What means "man" on Persian?The Persians just changed themselves,changing the names of the Empires.Muslim part created Ottoman Empire,rest of them medieval European countries.What does it
means "man" from Ottoman?
 
  


Edited by medenaywe - 06-Mar-2011 at 16:14

You can not because you are not part of Balkans every day's life.Man i am using indirect speech forms from books!Sorry about that.Maybe with short sentences will catch my premises.Shortly speaking,above I am saying that medieval ages stories are still reflecting our every day life on Balkans!?!"Legitimate" ancestors of Roman Emperor have been involved in most of World Wars as gun triggers!?!I will start with assassination of Franz Ferdinand,Serbian king Alexander assassination,etc..etc...


Edited by medenaywe - 21-Feb-2011 at 17:10

It is not wrong that you fail.Worst thing is not to raise again.

You are closer to revelation and God himself speaking that way!Charlie Babbitt says a joke!(Rain man movie
citat).

I just ask you above about origin of name Ottoman?!?Also was disputed that same history characters on
Balkans, are Albanians in Albanian history,Greeks in Greek history,Bulgarians in Bulgarian history,Serbian in...,Macedonian in ....I suppose that people,"legitimate" ancestors of crusaders,in there conflicts for the title of "Holy Roman Empire" have ruled Balkans and native populations, pushing them to fight one another!  I have already told you about name Macedon,during Roman and Byzantine Empires,Macedonia.Using syllables
that were used by Denaywemo(Danayans) before:MoKjeDoNo/N is logical form created by me!?!
I believe original name means :Godess's(of Earth) strength protect(us) on distance.Italians still call them Machedone!





Edited by medenaywe - 09-Mar-2011 at 12:33

Shokdee, sorry for missing your post above for so long!

Alas, I will have to admit that regarding your query above, that my knowledge of it is miniscule at best.

But, I would venture to state that the representations of Budda, as seen around the world, are exactly similar to the representations of Jesus, Peter, Mark, Elisha, Solomon, Noah, etc., that have been presented in one form or another in most all so called Christian churches. I would refer one to the supposedly ancient battles fought between the Iconoclasts, and their enemies, as well as other examples.

Since I was raised as a Southern Baptist, I grew up in a church that exhibited no examples of a statue of Christ, or a Cross, etc.!

Regards,

Well shokdee, first of all, I just don't accept the current dating for the life and imagery of Budda.

As most people already know, there exists a long gap in the proposed lifetime of Jesus. That is from the time he and his family escaped to Egypt, fleeing Herod, etc., until he suddenly returns to Judea as a man of about age 28-30, leaves one with a desire to find some mention of him and his family during this period which might well consist of 17 or more years.

As you might well also know, there have been numerous books and articles written that attempt to explain this period, with some of them proposing that He was traveling in the East, and studying as a Holy man, maybe even in Tibet. So, in the eyes of these writers, Jesus equals Budda, etc., in his Eastern travels.

I have also proposed that Jesus might well have been many years older than our currently held proposals. I suggest that his real life, as a man or son of God, only began after he came of age as a Jewish man, that is after his Bar Mitzvah, at about age 12-14. If this can be considered then he was closer to age 40+ at his death, than age 30.

I could also propose that his life as a "Holy Man", became the beginning of his now accepted lifetime. Thus one could well accept that he began his 30 or so years of a "Holy" life, at a much later time, and that he might well have lived until age 60 or so.

So, as you see, I consider many strange things, but the study of the past already forces us to continually consider many strange things.

Regards,

Some further thoughts:

"A shramana is a wandering monk in certain ascetic traditions of ancient India including Jainism, Buddhism, and Ajlvika and include Mahavira and Gautama Buddha.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shramana."

Jainism *precedes* Buddhism, and Buddha images were modeled on the earlier Jain ones.

ASIDE Notice that "In the Buddhist setting, this involved depicting in the image some of the thirty-two marks (lakshana) of a Great Person. These included long, webbed fingers; a penis concealed in a sheath; long arms; thirty-four teeth that were straight and pure white;
blue eyes; a tuft of hair between the eyebrows; and a protuberance from the top of the head"

Background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Jainism

"In Jainism, a Tirthankar ("Fordmaker or Propagator"; also Tirthankara or Jina) is a human
being who achieves enlightenment (perfect knowledge) through asceticism and who then
becomes a role-model teacher for those seeking spiritual guidance."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tirthankara

"Rishabha was the first of the 24 Tirthankara. He belonged to the House of Ikshwaku, which
was also known as the "House of the Sun"."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishabha_%28Jain_tirthankar%29

The  24th and the last (and a contemporary of the Buddha):
"Mahavira (‘Great Hero’) is the name most commonly used to refer to the Indian sage Vardhaman (traditionally 599–527 BCE) who established what are today considered to be the central tenets of Jainism."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahavira

Now have a look at a picture of him at the moment of enlightenment:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Mahavira_Enlightenment.jpg

Notice he is hunching.

Body positions are a central identifying feature of Jainism.

"Jain meditation is also referred as Samayika. The word Samayika means being in the moment of continuous real-time. This act of being conscious of the continual renewal of the universe in general and one's own renewal of the individual living being (Jiva) in particular is the critical first step in the journey towards identification with one's true nature, called the Atman. It is also a method by which one can develop an attitude of harmony and respect towards other humans and Nature. By being fully aware, alert and conscious of the constantly moving present, one will experience their true nature, Atman."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jain_meditation

The 24 Jain Tirthankaras are always seen in meditative posture and have practiced it deeply to attain enlightenment.

"Most of the Jain Tirthankaras are depicted in the Kayotsarga meditative posture. The word kayotsargga is made up of two words Kaya meaning body and utsarga meaning to give up."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayotsarga     <--- very poor article!!

Jina images come in two poses. In one he is seated with the legs folded upon each other, and the hands one atop the other, palms facing upward, resting on the lap. In the other he stands erect, legs and feet parallel, and the arms hanging down at the side of the body with the palms facing inward.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f5/Siddha.jpg/175px-Siddha.jpg

(Note to self - find the links to images of standing Adinatha and Parshvanatha icons, and the one with the roots and vines creeping over his body).


Edited by shokdee - 28-Jul-2011 at 00:44