Respecting Stalin?

Originally posted by ulrich von hutten Who else than the lefties, the true democrats, the humanist, should carry on to remind of the unflattering truth?

sorry Ulrich, but that statement clearly shows that you can't draw the right conclusions...it was not me who didn't udnerstood you, you didn't udnerstood me:

but what would have been the alternativ of " communistic dictatorship"? Dearth and slavery ? Bondage and the opportunity to die for the squire on one of his acres ?

what do you mean with "alternative to communist dictatorship"? Death and slavery is no alternative to Communism, it IS Communism...



of course it is easy for us to point fingers at the failures of others but fail to understand the reasons why some people did what they did. if you have to descide bewteen Red Terror on one side and Brown Death on the other, what are you going to do? die for your glorious '68er ideals and abandon your family to an uncertain faith on the edge of Armageddon or take sides with the lesser evil and do the best you can to survive. Ulrich, you are not elftist, i bet you don't even know what (leftist) Socialism is even if you would shake hands with it, the '68er are just hippies with no sense of realistic world view who think they can solve problems by pointing their fingers at it and claim moralic superiority. however, i fully agree with

Germany, that was full of "Never Being " Nazis, perfect Deniers and many "I couldn't have notice it" people.

which is correct, but don't forget what was the reason why Nazis gained popular support in the first place, in a another post war germany...Nazis gave the Germans what they wanted and needed after the war, so eventually Germans swallowed the downsides and gave more or less support in return.


so, Hitler had his Blondie, German sheperd. he was the first to introduce laws that protect the rights of animals, so everyhtign Hitler ever did was wrong, right? Hitler also gave "independence"(seperated from Czechs) to Slovakia. as we can see, the post-war, post-Communistic Slovakia did the same, ditto Croatia and Yugoslavia. apparently free people don't want to live under Communism if they have the choice or why did all the ex-East bloc countries join the EU instead of creatign a new Soviet Union, the utopic paradise country that it was? Communism is far worser than Fascism (National-Socialism isn't exactly Fascism, its related but not the same). we have Mao, who killed appx. 40 millions fellow-citzens, Stalin and Pol-Pot, who does Fascism have? who did Mussolini kill? or Franco, Mussolini as long as he was in charge even refused to hand over the Italian Jews for extermination.


Heck, my first post was, Germany should have defeated the Soviet Union and then should be defeated by the Allies, and theres absolutely nothing wrong with that, the only possible reason you could get offended by that is if you are an anit-american, self-proclaimed but actually not Leftist, hippie...

and i really fail to see what post-war denial has anyhting to do with the independence movements of some eastern european countries.

And Germany could have kept the entire conquered Russia under control after moving the larger parts of its army out of there to the west and just draw oil form there like a child from an abndoned candy stand?

well, at least in Ukraine The Germans were considered as liberators from The Stalin Yoke...

Edited by Philhellene - 17-Mar-2007 at 14:27