Originally posted by tzar   I want to announce to our turkish members, that I don't want to offend them. This was for beginning.  Bulgarian most heroic place is Shipka where Suleiman pasha was defeated from Russian army with the big help of Bulgarian volunteers forces! This is it:

very nice.I'm visiting bulgaria next month,can you tell me where is this castle?

Originally posted by tzar   I want to announce to our turkish members, that I don't want to offend them. This was for beginning.  Bulgarian most heroic place is Shipka where Suleiman pasha was defeated from Russian army with the big help of Bulgarian volunteers forces!

Why do you think like this? If this is your most heroic part of your country, as being a Turk we do not have much to do but respect you.

We congragulate every ex-enemy who fought honestly.

Best wishes to Bulgaria....

 

Originally posted by Alparslan Why do you think like this? If this is your most heroic part of your country, as being a Turk we do not have much to do but respect you. We congragulate every ex-enemy who fought honestly.

I agree. We respect to people who fight with their honor (I dont mean any specific nation), it doesnt matter if they fight against us or not. But we dont recognize the ones who fight without dignity and have no warior braveary even as men...

Eaglecap, that is the Altar of the Father Land.
A monument erected to remember to the cadets that died in battle and the Naval Infantry Bataillon of San Blas.

Little Big Horn- I decided to step in my way back machine and I took this pic!!






sorry I didn't get any pics of the heroic Sioux!!


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Originally posted by eaglecap Little Big Horn- I decided to step in my way back machine and I took this pic!! sorry I didn't get any pics of the heroic Sioux!!

little bighorn did not happen(i think,correct me if i ws wrong),the indians just sneaked off in the middle of the night and slaughtered veryone

Sorry, I just had to pop in and post Bannockburn...the English will never hear the end of it!

SCOTTISH INDEPENDANCE!!!

Originally posted by ak�nc� Originally posted by eaglecap Little Big Horn- I decided to step in my way back machine and I took this pic!! sorry I didn't get any pics of the heroic Sioux!! little bighorn did not happen(i think,correct me if i ws wrong),the indians just sneaked off in the middle of the night and slaughtered veryone

Little Big Horn was a real event but I do believe it happend in the day time but I will have to look. The Sioux were no cowards and there were very brave so I would not use the word sneaked. They were great warriors and just as fierce as your Turkish ancestors in battle. The clerk at the local market is full blooded Sioux and a knock out but she is married- I respect marriage. Do some research and find out about this great battle!!

I live in Canada. Perhaps the most heroic place here is a point along the coast of Lake Superior in Ontario.  It is there that one-legged Terry Fox, who was running across Canada in order to raise money for cancer research, was forced to capitulate due to the deteriorating conditions of his health.

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I am an Australian and I find it interesting that so many Turks consider this as their most heroic stand. For every Australian Gallipoli is also a sacred place.

Without doing a thorough investigation of the battle itself no one can gain a proper understanding of what the soldiers went through there. At 4 am on the morning of 25th April 1915 the first boatloads of ANZAC (Australia New Zealand Army Corps) landed at Anzac Cove, fired upon by Turkish defenders as the Anzacs had to charge their way up sheer cliff faces to gain only small patches of ground. From that landing until the final withdrawal late in the year both sides fought heroicly. One needs only look at some of the accounts of the battles that took place. In one day an assault launched by Kemal saw the deaths of a staggering 30,000 Turks, testimony to the willingness of these soldiers to follow their orders at whatever cost. Many charged straight into the heavy fire of defensive positions. Likewise, at the Battle of the Nek Anzac troops followed their orders to charge Turkish defences even when the planned artillery barrage which was meant to wipe out the defences did not occur. The soldiers to a man leapt out of the first two lines of trenches and were wiped out to a man. The third and fourth line of trenches held the second waves of troops who witnessed the annihiliation of the first two lines, yet when the order came to attack they also went over the top without hesitation and were likewise virtually annihilated.

For Australians and New Zealanders it was the first real time they had been in battle. These two young nations had never been tested in warfare, but the determination and courage of those who fell at Gallipoli have made proud our people for generations since. Soldiers on both sides, I might add, fought with honour and great bravery. In the winter, both sides' soldiers froze, in the summer they both endured searing heat, the impossibility of not swallowing flies every time you opened your mouth, and massive losses through disease which no one on the Western Front could imagine. Both sides respected the dignity of the other in gathering the dead and wounded and both sides typically avoided being brutal towards prisoners. The attack failed because of poor planning and execution by the Allied strategists.

For the Turks it was a justifiably proud victory against a major attack which ensured their ability to fight continued much longer than they would have had they lost at Gallipoli. For the Australian and New Zealanders, it was our first real battle, the baptism of fire where men placed in atrocious conditions showed nothing but steadfast courage and honour. In recent years Gallipoli had become a shrine for our young nation which is still in the process of developing its traditions. Turkey and Australia fought against eachother at the battle, but people from both nations today gather there to pay their respects to the simple valour of their ancestors. The people of both nations have no animosity toward eachother, knowing and respecting the valour shown by both sides in this battle.

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