Originally posted by Azita German POW in England were used a "slave" labour and even built Wembley stadium.

Maybe it would have been better if you scrutinized your evidence somewhat closer, Azita. That way you might not have mixed up a German road gang with those people constructing Wembley stadium.

Originally posted by Azita Oh? i did indicate i wasn't sure when i originally posted. from the BBC web page sited ( perhaps you didn't mange to read it) "The stadium authorities applied for German labour and are now employing 44 Germans out of a total of 123."" "their labour would be deployed on building construction and the road leading to Wembley's hallowed turf." "They are however, employing German Prisoners of War on the preparatory work." Are you nick picking to side step from the  war crimes mentioned? but, sigh ok, no German POW were used in building Wembley stadium, the BBC have it all wrong.

Considering what I had said in my last post, Azita, does it sound likely I hadn't read the BBC web page, while questioning you upon it? Also maybe you should have read my other posts on this thread to see if I had tried to deflect away from the possibility of allied war crimes before questioning if I might be trying to side step such issues.

Why does the execution of the SS men who guarded death camps bother you so much? They deserved to die for the years of abuse they inflicted on the Jews

Originally posted by Azita so your point is simply that the German POW forced labour, did NOT build any part of the stadium itself, rather the road to it? is that right? Thats a very important difference indeed, vital to the fact that Britain used German POW as forced (slave) labour. Myself being an "adopted" Briton, this crucial difference has set my mind at rest.

My point is, Azita, that presenting an argument with evidence which turns out to differ from how you're trying to present it, is liable to undermine that argument you're struggling with.

Oh dear! yes as i confessed ( hail mary) i was wrong about Wembley, was the road not the building.
But still was German forced labour used. Which was MY point.

As for the term slave, well i mostly used it in quotation marks, so i hopped that would indicate a degree of uncertainty over its use.

NOW im not going to be aggressive and post the Geneva conventions, you can look them up as easily as i can.
Questions:-
 were the German POW paid for their work?
Were they free to leave?
Could they refuse to work without consequence?

I had mostly asked questions regarding war crimes, hence the question marks at the end......
But stating that something IS a war crime might well be an opinion, just that i have never said it was one i held.

Here FWIW is my opinion............. ready?..............

I dont care..................... but as Germans had caused so much destruction, perhaps it was only right they mended some of it or built something.

The Germans working in England and the USA were damn lucky compared to those in French or Soviet "care".

the Germans in the Rhine camps, were treated with deliberate cruelty, many perhaps would have deserved this, MOST would not have.
It was against the conventions and was not the act of a magnanimous enemy.
BUT as with all the war, there was no manual, how would "we" have done things?  Much worse i suspect.

Azita

Now, what is your opinion?

My Brain hurts.
The 3rd conventions were in 1929(?)

But as a side, i wonder if that was why  the English sent the last German POW back before the 4th conventions in 1949?

As for what im trying to convey, err well, I think i need to lay down for a bit, that kitchen table still free..?

Hah!  1st Wembley built (in part) by Germans, 2nd Wembley built by Poles   

Azita.

guys turkmen ss who surrendered in  Padua and La Spezia get 20 years slave labor fromYalta Conference part of them returned to soviet from iran part of them sended to ukrain those who work as slave labor in ukraine   and later abandend there never get back to home
im going to make Topics abut turkmens in ww2

turkmen enter the war as soviet effective  military division they fight in so many battle in kursk in kiev i dont know how many turkmen sended to war but we know turkmen division sufferd 70000 dead Casualties while the turkmen Population at start of war was 1.300.000 they just pulled out b4 the berlin cuz of large Casualties in the war some of the turkmen caught by nazi guys they put to use in franc and italy as turkmen ss for fight against allied force u know nazi guys kill half of soviet pow what choice do they have but accpt to join turkmen ss ?? after war they get 20 labor slave that wasn't justice


Edited by yomud - 12-Apr-2013 at 15:43

i dont get it :d are u telling me they travel from turkmenistan to germany to fight against red army ?? or they just join nazi when they get caught by nazi ?? can u tellme more about them plz ?? have they involved them self in war crime ??



Edited by yomud - 13-Apr-2013 at 01:35

well war crime was new for me where did u read about them ?? i just know they used for watch camp building  and they mostly on duty with out bullets cuz german fear they may shot german soldiers ofc in the time when allied get close they were given ammunition in Yalta Conference their known crime was betraying mother land (which given to those who run away from army ) and fight along side of germans for this they get 20 year  slave working i didnt know they used in poland this was new 2 and i think germens send them to italy so they could take them away from red army they abandoned in Padua and La Spezia