Worst U.S. President

I don't believe he is a Nazi.  In fact, if he were, he would not want the Japs to die off.  Let's instead look at it from a different point of view.

What if you were on a ship at Pearl harbor the day it was bombed?  Chances are you would have a lot of resentment toward the Japs.  If you talked to some of them today, some would say all is forgiven and some would say they cannot forgive those bastards.  Granted he should not have said that here, but we don't need to call him a Nazi.

Tobodai:

BBC is the most anti-American and anti-Bush news out there. 

Pikeshot:

I don't expect to convince them.  Oh well...

When Japan made the decision to go to war in the 1930s and began it's policy of ethnic cleansing and mass geniocide in China and the rest of Asia with the consent and aproval of her beloved Emperor Japan comitted suicide.

When I said we should have whipped the Japaness race from the face of the earth I was given an example of the thinking of most in the west at the time of Japans surrender. Not my own opinon.

For example Bull Halsey stated a day after Pearl Harbor "When we're done with them the only place Japaness will be spoken is in Hell."

So the type of war we and our allies waged could have been far worse.

As far as the justness of dropping thousands of bombs or just one big bomb, I myself feel that war is the most immoral thing humans can do to each other. Weather by a thousand bombs or one nuclear bomb 100 thousand dead is still 100 thousand dead.

I am just thankful that I did not nor will I ever be the poor smuck stuck making such a grave decision. It must have been horrorable for President Truman at the time and on his death bed.

War itself troubles me due to the fact that I have some heart left and believe that we will all be judged for what we do here on earth.

I do think Truman was a decent President on account of the fact that he took the biggest step in advancing civil rights since Lincoln by desegregating the military. I feel that he did more for civil rights than F.D.R, J.F.K, Carter and Clinton combined as far as Democrats go.

Only Ike who among many things, sent troops to Little Rock, Arkansas to enforce the supreme courts ruling on seperate but equal. and Johnson did more.

In my idiotic opinion  America did not truly become a free country until 1965. When blacks were granted the right to vote under law.

As somewhat of a history buff, I would like to say that I think it is wrong to hold past generations up to today's moraity. In 100 years future generations will judge us and we will not messure up to their moral standerds. For example in the future historians and schoolars may condemn abortion as we condemn slavery today. The same arguement that was used to defend slavery is the same used to defend abortion. Rights of ownership (Slave master/ Mother.) v.s Rights of the Indiviual Slave/ Unborn child.)  

We must all remeber that in a 100 or so years we will all be gone and as far as I am conserned we will be remembered as a generation that did very little as compared to our father's and grandfather's generations.

The west is a spoiled lot, mainly Americans. In America we have people who puke their food up in order not to gain weight while half the world starves. Half the population of America is overweight while half the world starves. We throw away more food in America than is consumned here and in sub Saharien Africa.

My point is that in the future America will in time revert back to just another country due to the fact that the rest of the world is catching up with us. In 75 to 100 years America may not be the say all and end all of world powers and we should all remeber that. China and Europe is fast catching up to us and it is projected that by 2054 China and Japan will over take the United States in terms of G.N.P. The European Union is only a few billion Dollars below us.

I wish America would go back to being just another country in the world like it was before the first world war. Since 1945 America has been a superower but more than that the world's traffic cop and most out here in middle America are tired of watching America's youth be sent to die for either the freedom of others (Korea 1950, Vietnam 1965, Kosavo 1999, Iraq 2003.) or for the economic intrest of Corp. America. (Banana war in 1956, Bay of Pigs 1961, Granadia 1983, Persian Gulf 1991.) just to name a few.

Just for the record I am not a Nazi, I am not a communist, I am not a republican and I am not a Democrat. I am one who believes that if America could whipe out it's own native American population in the 19th century why didn't we whipe out the japeness in the 20th century ? you guys telling me that America suddenly got moral in the span of 40 years ?

I was wrong for wording my past statement in such a way as to sound like a cyber space Hitler. I am sorry for that.

As far as my statement goes like it or not that was and is the opinion of many veterans of the second world war and even some generation Xers in the west.

Japan is a richer and more powerful nation today that it has ever been. It ranks behind only the U.S.A as far as economics goes, due to the massive aid the United States rushed into that nation along with the nations of western Europe. We spent billions rebuilding Japan but what did Japan spend to help rebuild China. If memory serves me well, many millions Chiness died at the hands of the Japaness military.

Some day China will over take Japan and the United States and will be the say all and end all of world superpowers and then we will stand where they tell us. Its already happening right now. China's economy has been outpacing the economies of America, the E.U and Japan by at least 8% each year and if the current tread holds they will be the richest nation in the world by 2039. 

Without being the richest nation in the world the United States will not be able to spend massive sums on defence and will no longer be able to defend Japan from China. We will all have to get used to a lot of things in the 21st century and one of them is all the nations of the west are in decline and the future will belong to the once lesser nations like China and maybe even India. I am all for a weaker American presents in the world. You could even call me an issolationist.

I say we should let China run the world for the next 100 years. What's the worst that could happen ?

"A Nation Governed by the Rule of Law is never truly Free." 

Is Blake 79 trying to fall directly into the image of an ignorant southerner?  NO one would criticize you if you said Tojo, the high command, and most of the Japanese soldiers should have all been killed.  Thats fine.  But everyone coupled with your previous statments in another thread about shooting all germans over the age of 13 clearly shows you have the same genocidal proclivities as the Axis powers themselves. 

We are discussing it in the mod forum now.

Haha and your banned! Put that in your pipe and smoke it swamp dwelling bayou buddy.

I always get the last word!

It depends on whether or not it's your kid getting killed. 

I am empathetic to Cindy Sheehan, but her adult son voluntarily enlisted in the service.  A soldier takes a soldier's risk. 

i know i'm new to this forum and am unaware of the rules of this thread but Tobodai, i have you know that i am from louisiana, though my husband and i now reside in california. even though what BLAKE said was very out of line, you had no right calling him a swamp dweller. Louisiana is a beautiful state of which only 1/5th of it is wetlands.  calling somebody from louisiana a swamp stomper or whatever is a very insulting comment for the rest of us. 

ignorance should be shunned, but not with more ignorance.

If compared to the worst leaders of Europe say, Hitler Stalin or Mosilini I don't think any American president comes close to those tyrrants. Andrew Jackson was the most Hitler-like of all presidents on account of laying down the policy of mass extermanation of the native Americans in the 19th century but even he falls short of becoming a tyrrant on the scale of Europes worse.

I have seen President Bush be compared to Hitler a few times in the media, Yet Hilter slaughtered 7 million Jews and dirrectly caused the deaths of somewhere between 40 to 60 million people. Bush too falls far short.

As far as Truman, he did more for the advancement of civil rights than any president since Lincoln. A stance that almost cost him reelection in 1948.