Ancient Hellens,Dark or White Skinned?

And Venetians in Crete.

No Cretans are not so tall.

Ellinas ou should put a picture up.

So are Dorians Slavs(ethnicity) or Greeks???

Edited by machine - 30-Jun-2006 at 07:01

Originally posted by machine So are Dorians Slavs(ethnicity) or Greeks???

Greeks. Slavs came in the area more than 15 centuries later.

Dorians were the last greek tribe which came to southern Greece (descent of Dorians) and they had the most significant impact on the formation of the greek nation until today.

I wouldnt put the Greeks or ancient Hellens as White skinned, probably more Olive type of skin tone similar to what one finds today in other mediterranean peoples (southern Italians, Cypriot, Lebanese, Northern Libyans, Morrocan and Tunisians).  Also many Turkish, Iranians, Afghans and Pakistanis have strong Greek looking features as well probably owing to the fact that they where part of the Greek empire and had several cities in them to which Greeks had travelled to.  I think that over time the original  features and tone of modern day Greeks have somewhat been admixed with the Slavs and possibly other more European races.  Not to say that original Greek genes are not still present, but a slight change has occured nonetheless.

Edited by Hellenic - 30-Jun-2006 at 19:22

Originally posted by Hellenic I wouldnt put the Greeks or ancient Hellens as White skinned, probably more Olive type of skin tone similar to what one finds today in other mediterranean peoples (southern Italians, Cypriot, Lebanese, Northern Libyans, Morrocan and Tunisians).  Also many Turkish, Iranians, Afghans and Pakistanis have strong Greek looking features as well probably owing to the fact that they where part of the Greek empire and had several cities in them to which Greeks had travelled to.  I think that over time the original  features and tone of modern day Greeks have somewhat been admixed with the Slavs and possibly other more European races.  Not to say that original Greek genes are not still present, but a slight change has occured nonetheless.

Originally posted by dorian Dorians spread in Central Greece, Peloponnisos and the islands of southern Aegean, so in whole southern Greece. Let alone that Macedonians were Dorians too.

Macedonians is not clear that were Dorians.
This comes out of a mention of Herodotos,as well as some linguistic elements. (the use of "alpha" instead of  "eta" ine many words.)

Hesiodus in his Cosmology,presents Macedon as brother of Magnes-the founder of Magnesia in mount.Pelion-Thessaly.

Pella's katadesmos,a text of the 4th cent BC,which is the only surviving full text of Macedonian dialect,shows a dialct similar to the Aeolian dialect.

Even they were one of the most wild tribes and they were not as civilised as the other greek tribe, they had an impact on the culture of classic Greece (iron, doric architecture style, choral lyrics).

Originally posted by Ellinas To Dorian: I didn't said Dorians were Nordics or they were all blonds. I just said they had lighter skin and hair from the rest of the Hellenic tribes, therefore the blonds were most frequent to them. I also did not said Laconia is the only Doric region, I mentioned some places were I observated intense Dorian ancestry.   To Hellenic: If we can say that there was a slight genetic influence in the genetics of the Greeks, this would come from the Arvanites and the Vlachs, not the Slavs. The Slavs who did not annihilated in Greek lands were only a few, and they still keep their minorities till today.

It's good that some greeks started to accept the truth