Originally posted by opuslola Hey TGS, I already said in the post above that "Yes, it seems it was all the fault of Bush!" Just how much more support should I give your posts than that? All wrongs were done by one Bush or another Bush, therefor, we must "burn the Bush!" Chuckle! And a wink!

Atleast we agree on one thing, keep the Bush family out of politics. Hopefully W was the last one.

Originally posted by opuslola TGS also wrote these words; "Because the American system as a whole is broken, Obama has to spend money to fix it, which causes more debt. Its a perpetual cycle that can only be stopped if we fix this broken system." By "fixing a broken system", I suppose you mean that America must change to "Socialism?"

I dunno, what do you think, you're the one that posted the article about Canada envy.

Originally posted by eaglecap One Question- are you a communist? I want to know!

Communist as in Soviet Union or China or Cuba? No.

Originally posted by eaglecap You are entitled to your opinion and frankly just as I said anything that does not agree with your views you name call.

Who have I name called?

Originally posted by eaglecap I agree in the seperation of church and state but commie groups like the ACLU have gone too far.

ACLU is a commie group? Its a group dedicated to preserving the rights of American citizens as described in the Constitution, no matter what! The ACLU has fought for the rights and protected some of the most anti-communist people in the United States, the Neo-Nazi's!

The ACLU is one of the few organizations keeping this government in check and making sure that peoples rights, no matter what they may be, are protected. Did Savage tell you that the ACLU is a commie organization?

Originally posted by eaglecap Homophobic - Funny how liberals call everyone names if you don't agree with them - such as Islamophobic. Sounds to me like you might be very Christophobic! Do I hate gays- NO!! Do I dislike their lifestyle - depends Do I fear them- NO!

Lets see, you speak of a gay agenda which is trying to destroy this nation, you defend those who are trying to undermine the rights of gays, and you are against teaching our future generations to be tolerant and accepting of homosexuals...

Yes, sounds pretty homophobic. Did you even read the articles you posted? Look at my analysis of them, I quoted the obvious anti-homosexual parts of those articles. If that is what you use as sources and that is what you believe, thats only conclusion I can come to.

Originally posted by eaglecap I will try and tackle this step by step but what is the use you if ingnore the facts.

Lets see, I am ignoring the facts? What "facts" did you post? I have yet to see a single fact. And please, if you want to bring up facts, use NEUTRAL RELIABLE THIRD PARTY SOURCES.

No more Savage or Baptist News or whatever...

Originally posted by eaglecap Here is another group you might label True patriotic Americans http://www.stoptheaclu.com/

I clicked on that link and this is the first article on their site:

Publius Podcast: Anti-Gun Government Tyranny in Canada

Edited by TheGreatSimba - 09-Feb-2010 at 15:21

Originally posted by eaglecap Sorry TGS I have been so busy lately with assignments that I have not even been on historum. I will get back with this next week. Monday is a holiday you know and will be snow camping

where are all the people of color at the Tea Party protests?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMdPTpOyUk4&feature=player_embedded#at=81

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Originally posted by eaglecap Originally posted by eaglecap Sorry TGS I have been so busy lately with assignments that I have not even been on historum. I will get back with this next week. Monday is a holiday you know and will be snow camping where are all the people of color at the Tea Party protests? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMdPTpOyUk4&feature=player_embedded#at=81 way to go buddy, way to pick your token ethnic minorities and show them off. All I know is what I see at the mass rallies, and I've never seen a person of color...l it sure has taken the Tea Partiers a hell of a long time to make this video responding to this issue...The tea party movement is overwhelming composed of White American's, more than half of whom do not have a college education, and more than half of whom are not Urban.

I wonder who pays most of the taxes? The Tea party is open to all races, genders and gays as well but since they don't represent your views you hate them. It is still their First Amendment right to protest unless you don't believe in our freedoms. Have you read the U.S. Constitution? It really surprises me when a son of an immigrant, who fled tyranny, is so anti American. I can understand you distaste for the Republican neo cons- I dislike them as well. I am an independent!!


I am glad you are not a Maoist or Stalinist and I do realize communism comes in different forms. I would support Communism if people were not so corrupt and power hungry.   By theory it sounds good but history shows it does not work. Capitalism is also failing us due to corruption.
The bottom line is we will never agree and we have different visions for our country. I get the impression that you really do not respect our Constitution or Bill of rights.   I am afraid in a conflict we would be on the opposite sides of gun barrels, hopefully not. My wonderful liberal sister is a lot like you so we avoid politics.


who have I name called?

Me but it is not untypical for liberal – no offense but Calling people homophobic might border on a breach of A&E rules, if you continue such tactics. I will check with Red Clay.


ACLU is a commie group? It’s a group dedicated to preserving the rights of American citizens as described in the Constitution, no matter what! The ACLU has fought for the rights and protected some of the most anti-communist people in the United States, the Neo-Nazi's!

The ACLU is one of the few organizations keeping this government in check and making sure that people’s rights, no matter what they may be, are protected. Did Savage tell you that the ACLU is a commie organization?

no I learned it from a college class and other sources but I have heard him speak about this.
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I am sorry you are wrong and it all depends on your opinion and viewpoint about whatfreedom is.

You talk about gay rights but some sickos believe they have a right to molest children. Where do we draw the line on people's rights? Anything that hurts another human is wrong in my opinion- AID and a multiple of other diseases are spread more by homosexuals in the USA. You cannot even donate blood if you are a practicing homosexual. What about the rights of people they infect? I also condemn heterosexuals who spread this disease when they know they have it.

Look what the definition of phobic and maybe my fear is not unreasonable when they have multiple partners with no protection, this does not apply to all gays.

ACLU:
I agree they have done some good to protect our Civil Liberties but they have done more harm than good. I would suggest reading up on your history about the ACLU and their communist roots. They are closet communist in my opinions

ACLU Fights To Keep Communist Propaganda In School Library
http://www.adamsweb.us/blog/aclu_fights_to_keep_communist_propaganda/

The true GOAL OF THE ACLU TO DESTROY AMERICA
Communist Roots of the ACLU
http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=170
www.stoptheaclu.com

Let’s see, you speak of a gay agenda which is trying to destroy this nation, you defend those who are trying to undermine the rights of gays, and you are against teaching our future generations to be tolerant and accepting of homosexuals...
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I don't believe they are destroying our country and that is where I verge aways from Christians but I believe it is a very unhealthy choice and I don't support gay marriage and I have known gays who are also against gay marriage. Are they homophobic? Remember, I use to live with several gays while I was in college. They can get a civil arrangement and have the same right but this whole idea of gay marriage is an attempt to force this perversion as being normal- it is not. Why can't they leave people of faith alone. I wonder, like in Canada, when will it be illegal to criticize homosexuals, in total violation of free speech. I once posted an article about that here a few years ago so look it up.

Everything is open for criticism and this includes Christians or any religious/ politcal group.

We will never agree here and while I don’t care what people do in the privacy of their homes it is still perverse and unhealthy. For Christians, Muslims, and jews it is their religious freedom under our First Amendment to not agree with it, but I gather you really don’t believe in the U.S. Constitution. I may not agree with their religious views it is still their right and yes gays have the right to practice this in private as long as they are not spreading disease- AIDS etc Homosexuality is here and will always be here and because of this I will tolerant their right to one's privacy.
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you even read the articles you posted? Look at my analysis of them, I quoted the obvious anti-homosexual parts of those articles. If that is what you use as sources and that is what you believe, thats only conclusion I can come to.

I have read some of them but I wil not reply till I have read them all to be fair to you.

Anyone who does not agree with you on this is homophobic and I think you are Christophobic. Any conservative source is null and void to most liberals such as yourself, my sister is the same way.   Any criticism of homosexuality if homophobic to you and others like yourself. Remember it is my 1st Amendment right to do so! It works both ways!   

The very life expectancy of gays is less than heterosexuals
Gay life expectancy revisited
Robert S Hogg, Steffanie A Strathdee, Kevin JP Craib, Michael V O'shaughnessy, Julio Montaner and Martin T Schechter
I would consider this more of a neutral pary
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/30/6/1499

Gun issue is another issue but you are welcome to your views. Hitler also did not believe private gun rights either.
We can start another thread on gun rights if you want but not here. I have found out not all liberals are anti gun and some, I know, who are liberal in many aspects but yet they support the 2nd Amendment.

To me this is hardly the biggest issue today and a bit of a distraction for me. I respect your opinion but we will never agree but I will read the rest of those links to put on when I can.

my concerns:
the threat by Globalism, radical Islam and its spread, the enviroment, the industrial military complex and its threats to our freedoms.

Dear redclay! I hope you noticed that TGS ignored my post? Just why does he attack eaglecap with a heart?

You see, I cannot even respond since you have me on a "short leash!

You, redclay, must have a side in the above, but I dare to say that you would rather agree with TGS than eaglecap?

But, of course, until I see some posts of you at this site, then I must well be a neutral participant!

Yeah! The Republicans like to shoot themselves in the foot! Just look at the last few "losers" that they made candidates?


An old man from Kansas who could only speak about himself in the third person! An old man from Arizona, who is a man who gave all he had up to his torturers in Viet Nam, and one who remains "wounded" for ever!

Conservative? Neither of them could so be determined! The were both "damaged goods" when offered to the American public! They were more "pathetic" than any thing else!

But, in an effort to stave off "evil" I voted for both of them! And, today, I consider that I did my best to stop this increasing Socialism of America!

But, on this site, like so many others, Socialism is a "royal" word! It wears the "purple!" Of course I also call it "Progressivism!" And numerous of their "purple blood" consider themselves and their friends as "Progressives!"

I, on the other hand, consider "progressive" thought to be "Regressive!", which is the only good alternative I can think of!

Regards,

TGS, said;

"The founding fathers were progressives themselves, you should know this."

TGS, the above words are amongst the biggest bunch of BS words to ever hit the inter-net!

Please name another "progressive" that existed within England within this time period?

Do you doubt't that they existed only in the "colonies?"

Do you doubt that the leaders of the colonists had no support within their families back in England?

Please give all of us some of your sources?

And, if you can, make sure that the sources are "neutral" as you are famous for promoting "neutral" sources, which clearly become, upon any close scruntinty, as "biased" and "Left Wing", or Socialist, or Marxist, with some scruntinity!



Edited by opuslola - 28-Feb-2010 at 19:13

TGS, you might well have taken the time to read a former post of mine, where I wrote;

"Originally posted by opuslola

My dear Great Simba!

Against all constraints placed against me, by Redclay, etal, I just have to show you this!

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/amid-american-malaise-canada-envy-returns/19343111

Maybe it confirms both of our views?

My great regards to you!

But, of course I am merely kidding!"

It is quite obvious that I knew the political vent of the source! You might well have even noticed my words, I.e.; "Maybe it confirms both of our views?" Cough!

And, there were other cases where I happend to check your sources! I think I even mentioned one or two somewhere? And, I also think that I proved that you have never posted any sources that could be considered as neutral on whatever subject you wished to discuss or promote!

I am also somewhat concerned with your anal use of the term "trolling" to describe any response made by me to your attacks both upon me and my beliefs!

I feel that you might well try to look in a mirror and see if a "troll" is not there? Laugh!

Also, you still tend to think the word "progressive" is a term reserved for people who look upon the world as do you! As I have stated oft, "regressive" could also express a lot of the movements which some people have attached the word "progressive!"

Just by using the word "progressive" to insinsuate that it always means "making things better", when you are the supporter of said "thing" does not either make it so, nor does it make it in any way really "progressive!"

I don't need any sources to confirm the above, it is called merely "common sense!"

Regards, as always!

But, it is really all in fun, is it not?

Regards,



Edited by opuslola - 28-Feb-2010 at 19:35

This is how Rush Limbaugh lives (he put his $13.95 million fifth avenue NYC apartment up for sale, PICS INCLUDED):

http://gawker.com/5482793/rush-limbaughs-gaudy-fifth-avenue-penthouse-is-now-for-sale/gallery/

Yea, he sure is a man of the people, sure is fighting for the little guy, the average American. Oh, that Rush Limbaugh, thank god some one stands up to those liberal elitists! (sarcasm)

Originally posted by opuslola Why do you hate people who made it from average or above average to rich without a college education? Rush put in years and years where he made little or nothing, but he learned a "trade!", that has become a "profession!", I would think that you could be proud of a man who came to riches due to his own imagination and perserverance!

I do not hate Rush Limbaugh because hes rich, I think he is evil because he became rich by manipulating the underprivileged, and making millions of dollars of them. I think he is evil because he attacks everything that is good for them and makes them believe it is bad too, while at the same time he is a multi-milllionaire who never has to face the problems that his listeners do.

He is a despicable human being, with no morals or ethics, no sense of right and wrong. Anyone can be rich opuslola, but its what you do with your wealth that matters. Getting rich off of the backs of the poor is nothing to be proud of.

Originally posted by opuslola Little guy becomes a "big shot!", etc.! Much the same could be said about Glenn Beck, and hundreds of other conservatives! I say Bravo! And, Rush, like Glenn wishes the best to everyone, period!

Really? Is that why Glenn Beck started a campaign against the Christian religion in order to make it the religion of the wealthy rather than a religion of the average person?

Believe me when I say that Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh do not care about their viewers, or the American people, they are greedy and will tell them anything they can in order to sell their books, have them watch them on tv, and listen to their radio programs...

They are truly evil.

Originally posted by opuslola I also hope to become rich when I grow up! I know Glenn and Rush would want me to! But, some people want to drag people like Rush and Glenn down to a much lower level!

No, the less competition for them the better, they do not want you to get rich. Corporations do not want you to get rich. Corporations want other corporations to fail. Do you not understand how capitalism works? The less crazy radio hosts there are, the more people will less to the few that exist, and they make money. The less crazy tv hosts there are, the more people will watch that persons program and thus make him more money.

Glenn Beck, for example, is taking out a huge chunk of the viewership/listener-ship/popularity of the other crazies...

Its competition, the only they want you to do is to make them more rich. Do you think that Microsoft wanted Google to prosper? No! Do you that Coke doesnt wish it could go back and buy out Pepsi when Pepsi offered Coke their company decades ago?

common sense buddy.

Originally posted by opuslola How about you?

I plan on being wealthy, but not by screwing over other people, especially the poor.

Originally posted by opuslola In fact, I wish it (riches) was a true destination for everyone! How about you?

No, money does not buy happiness, I would be just as happy if I wasnt rich than if I was rich, as long as I had a good life.

Originally posted by opuslola But, in fact, I am sometimes bothered by people who have shown a problem with making more money, since they then have to "actually" pay income taxes! This seems to bother a great deal of them! How about you?

Not at all, after a certain point of wealth, everything more than that is simply excess, and tax really doesnt affect ones lifestyle anymore. For example, income tax or any level of tax really doesnt matter to Bill Gates, he has more than enough money...

Its only those that are greedy that hate the income tax.

By the way, did you know that most corporations pay less taxes than the average person, and sometimes they pay no taxes at all!

Nearly two-thirds of U.S. companies and 68% of foreign corporations do not pay federal income taxes, according to a congressional report released Tuesday. The Government Accountability Office (GAO) examined samples of corporate tax returns filed between 1998 and 2005. In that time period, an annual average of 1.3 million U.S. companies and 39,000 foreign companies doing business in the United States paid no income taxes – despite having a combined $2.5 trillion in revenue.

http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/08/13/66-of-american-corporations-pay-zero-federal-income-tax/

Here is an article about companies whose sole purpose is to help other companies deny unemployment claims:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/us/04talx.html?hp

No, the greedy do not want you to be rich.

You have a very warped view of reality...



Edited by TheGreatSimba - 04-Apr-2010 at 14:51

Originally posted by opuslola TGS, you actually wrote the following!!!; "By the way, did you know that most corporations pay less taxes than the average person, and sometimes they pay no taxes at all!" God damn it! I am well pleased that you noted the above! You are almost pre-cognitive? On the other hand, I would shout to the heavens if "NO" corporation or company had to pay income taxes, nor many of the other taxes contrived by persons like you!

Exactly, our current system is messed up. Corporations should be paying taxes like the rest of us! Why do they get away with it? Because of the conservative movement in this country and their lobbying and... 8 years of the Bush administration.

Originally posted by opuslola It seems you have almost no knowledge of taxes and corportations or any other type of business involved in the selling of a product of any type!

Sure.

Originally posted by opuslola Your ignorance is both "expected" and in the same manner "sad!"

Yea, I'm ignorant.

Originally posted by opuslola That is, I expected more from you than such a "regressive" type of response!

I thought everything bad was progressive?

Originally posted by opuslola Do you, or have you ever considered just what part of America really pays these taxes? It is obvious by your words above that either you have not considered it, or you, by your very nature, just cannot fathom the facts!

What are you talking about? I think you completely missed the point here...

Originally posted by opuslola Sorry to say it, but you are getting more boring each day! But, I will still be awaiting a response to my above post?

Well then dont read my posts, simple solution...besides, you dont read them as it is, so how is it that I am boring you?