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    Posted: 29-Mar-2007 at 10:11
Originally posted by karajoz

 
 
 
its okey, i lived in switzerland all my live, turks cant open their own mosqus there either...so ... me personally... i dont want to see any churches in my country. this is turkey.
if you want go to a church go to greece or armenia...
 
Censored You are soo ignorant.
 
Ok maybe Turkey is not secular enought, but atleast its not sheriat either.
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Originally posted by karajoz

i just want to bring forward that the christian minority in turkey stabed us in the back once,so no one can missjudge if we are a bit sceptic about armenians and other christ in the modern state of turkey
 
 
just to remind,if someone doesent know the history of turkey.
the armenians killed turks and claimed our land,after they saw ottomans losing the war,they hoped of help with russia back then.
 
kurdish and turkish corps could defiet them afterwards succesfully.
 
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To understand correctly, is it being suggested that Churches are not allowed to open in Turkey? or new churches are not allowed to be founded?
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Whooooooooooooo thank goodness. I thought for a moement i'd have to get my Star of David arm band back out and put it on. Thank you Seko.
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Sic regio ergo religio
 
If I may say so... cool it just brings us back 350 years backward!
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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=308489

Churches in Turkey.some of old some new
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Originally posted by karajoz

i lived in switzerland all my live
 
I think that explains your lack of knowledge about Turkey. And to those who try to understand Turkey through Karajoz's intellectual capacity: Turkey is a secular country, and she has proved this many times in the past. Always keep in mind that Turkey was the one that destroyed traditional Islamic political system, including Caliphate and the strongest medrassahs.
 
Just like the European working class that is Islamophobic, most of the Turkish mediveal agricultural class is Christianophobic, both of which are a shame, of course.
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and ın touristıc area for examples marmaris and fethiye lot of new church opened 
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To understand correctly, is it being suggested that Churches are not allowed to open in Turkey? or new churches are not allowed to be founded?
 
New churches.
 
and ın touristıc area for examples marmaris and fethiye lot of new church opened 
 
Offically, they are not churchs.
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Ok maybe Turkey is not secular enought, but atleast its not sheriat either.
 
Funny, but there are a lot church comes from ottomans and their sheriat..  So, pls be more objective. 
 
Turkey is not enough sheriat even.
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and ın touristıc area for examples marmaris and fethiye lot of new church opened 
 
Offically, they are not churchs.

yes they are offiacally chuchs.
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Ok maybe Turkey is not secular enought, but atleast its not sheriat either.
 
Funny, but there are a lot church comes from ottomans and their sheriat..  So, pls be more objective. 
 
Turkey is not enough sheriat even.
 
For me Turkey is not enought secular.(Yeap better than other muslims but could be better than this) 
 
Otherwise how could you explain ''Diyanet İşleri Başkanlığı''(Religious Affairs Ministry). The state pays Sunni imams salaries with our taxes, but same state does not doing anything for Alevis, Jews and Christians. İs that secularism?
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(quiet voice) probably not.
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It's still secularism (French Laicism by the way), Erkut. Believe me. I have thought it for ages that whether Turkey is really secular or not. The problem is due to our uneducated villagers who might actually be quite jihadist and who might tend to believe that the west was evil.
 
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Turkey doesn't have millions of industrilized liberal citizens who are also secular and do know what secularism really means.
 
Turkey does have millons of poor villagers whose religious thoughts are dreadfully traumatic.
 
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Religious affairs must be controlled.
 
If Turkish people respect American people, this is because of this.
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Otherwise how could you explain ''Diyanet İşleri Başkanlığı''(Religious Affairs Ministry). The state pays Sunni imams salaries with our taxes, but same state does not doing anything for Alevis, Jews and Christians. İs that secularism?
 
I agree, but than who will state control islam? and who will teach(be sure there would be valuenters islam to people)?
 
Turkey is nationalist, not secularist or other thing. They use islam for their aims.
 
Hidden face , please to stop belittling poor villagers. It is becoming boring. when did fanatism related with education?(Look at cumhuriyet newspaper, so much educated so much fanatic.)
 
I should also add, It is still nationalism who is against others.(No matter what they are)
 
True, we have not muc liberas, but this has no relation with education, richness or becoming at city or village. We are what state wanted. Nationalists. All of us, leftist, rightist or religious people.
 
 
 
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Also where the hell that cihadist you talk? I am not aware of them.
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'Kyl milletin efendisidir'  (Villagers are the gentlemen of this nation)
 
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Stop belittling villagers, you can sit and whine about them all you want but I find them more warm-hearted, hospitable and able to deal, live and cope with life far better than some bigotted city dwellers who have become lost, materialistic and disatisfied with life.
 
Go to a village in Turkey, they'll give you all they have to look after and feed you and feel offended if you try to offer money as thanks, all they want is for you to be pleased.
 
This is what Ibn Battuta wrote about Turks.
 
This country ... is one of the finest in the world; in it God has brought together the good things dispersed throughout other lands. Its people are the most comely (handsome) of men, the cleanest in their dress, the most delicious in their food, and the kindliest folk in creation. Wherever we stopped in this land, whether at a hospice or a private house, our neighbors both men and women (these do not veil themselves) came to ask after our needs. When we left them they bade us farewell as though they were our relatives and our own folk, and you would see the women weeping out of grief at our departure." [Gibb, p. 415 - 416]
 
"We stayed here at the college mosque of the town... Now in all the lands inhabited by the Turkmens in Anatolia, in every district, town and village, there are to be found members of the organization known as the ... Young Brotherhood. Nowhere in the world will you find men so eager to welcome strangers, so prompt to serve food and to satisfy the wants of others... The members of this community work during the day to gain their livelihood, and bring ... what they have earned in the late afternoon. With this they buy fruit, food, and the other things which the hospice requires for their use. If a traveler comes to town that day they lodge him.... and he stays with them until he goes away. If there are no travelers they themselves assemble to partake of the food, and having eaten it they sing and dance. On the morrow they return to their occupations and bring their earnings to their leader in the late afternoon."
 
 
Go to Turkish villages and towns and this is how you'll be treated even in small cities but in the big cities its not as common.
 
 


Edited by Bulldog - 29-Mar-2007 at 14:23
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Mortaza that's what I said. If you say that there's no jihadism in Turkey, then thanks to our Religious Affairs Ministry, which has always been saying that tolerance and human rights are the basis of Islam. Therefore there's a wonderful -Muslim and at the same time democratic and humanist- community in Turkey. At the Ottoman ages, We did Jihad against Europe for almost 600 years saying "Kuffara kiyamet. (doomsday for Infidels!") Thanks to our Seyh-ul Islams, who were saying that "infidel west" must be destroyed.
 
Today, we realised that any type of "holy war" is terrible and must go to hell.! Republic period of Anatolia is the most peaceful period compared to the whole history. And then take a look at the misery of those "jihadist" middle eastern people and compare it with our situation.
 
 
Religious Affairs Ministry did a great job since secular Turkey republic.
 
And agricultural societies are inferior to industrilized socities. Science says this. 
 
And guys, let's ignore this Bulldog's post, please.
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Why, are you ashamed of your countries villagers?

What's a "Jihadi", as far as I know its a term used by Islamophobe's on anti-muslim hate sites.
 
Ottomans were hardly as you describe, they funded Protestantism and had the support of Netherlands, France and Protestant states.
 
And agricultural societies are inferior to industrilized socities. Science says this.
 
There is no "inferior" or "superior" society, science changes daily and really this isn't a scientific equation. 
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I must calm down, and ignore this.

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